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[PaulMdj]

To answer your question, this is why

Jordan Pickford's long balls part of England’s problem at Euro 2024? It is impacting possession and pressing

Gareth Southgate talks of wanting to build with more control so why has goalkeeper Jordan Pickford launched the ball long more than any other player at Euro 2024?

www.skysports.com

I mentioned this the other day. England simply do not know how to play against the press. That’s not down to England. That’s down to Southgate. There’s a piece on that story where it’s says Pickford has options to pass to Stones, Bellingham and Foden. Yet Pickford goes long to Kane who loses out. And England are on the defence again. Now there are several issues about this. If Kane does win the ball, he cannot give it to Foden or Bellingham coz they have dropped. But further more, Bellingham and Foden are now compared to championship players. They are actually trying to do there job but Southgate is not getting the message across to play out from the back. It also endorses what I have said about whatever team Southgate picks. It don’t matter, the same tactics will be played. The only difference is that another defensive midfielder will protect his defence and poor tactics.
The two teams that have kicked the most from the back, England and Scotland. Coincidence. No.

Quote from the piece.
The statistics show that Pickford has attempted to launch the ball more than any other player in the competition after two rounds of games. It is not a recipe for ball retention. It is a tactic more suited to unfancied sides than a supposedly ambitious England outfit.

Of course, this is Pickford's natural game at club level under Sean Dyche at Everton. He hit 968 long passes in the past Premier League season, 77 more than Luton goalkeeper Thomas Kaminski and over 200 more than any other player in the competition. This swarm-plot highlights just what an outlier Pickford is stylistically.

The key difference is that Dyche's tactics make sense because everybody knows this is the plan. When Everton launch the ball long, it is with a view to getting bodies around the centre-forward, winning possession high up the pitch and playing from there.

Is that the plan when Pickford looks for Kane? Not when Foden is inside his own box and Bellingham is making a similar movement towards his goalkeeper. How could they help press at the other end when Kane lost out? They had anticipated another pass entirely.

Who is that down to, and it’s not rocket science to figure out. Unless you are the England manager.

Or if actually watch the games you’ll see he only starts the long balls when we are under constant pressure!
He’s probably fed up of giving the ball to a defender and then them losing it immediately to the opposition.

We hate Southgate, we want him out, but this constant blaming him for every mistake on the pitch is getting tiresome.

How do these World Class players like Foden and Bellingham lose the ability to pass to each other or fail to get past a player with the ball, or Pickford deciding to go long?

Some of it is the players Tash, they have to stand up and be counted at times.

Were are all the articles highlighting all these mistakes in the first half hour against Serbia or the first 20 against Denmark?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

To answer your question, this is why

Jordan Pickford's long balls part of England’s problem at Euro 2024? It is impacting possession and pressing

Gareth Southgate talks of wanting to build with more control so why has goalkeeper Jordan Pickford launched the ball long more than any other player at Euro 2024?

www.skysports.com

I mentioned this the other day. England simply do not know how to play against the press. That’s not down to England. That’s down to Southgate. There’s a piece on that story where it’s says Pickford has options to pass to Stones, Bellingham and Foden. Yet Pickford goes long to Kane who loses out. And England are on the defence again. Now there are several issues about this. If Kane does win the ball, he cannot give it to Foden or Bellingham coz they have dropped. But further more, Bellingham and Foden are now compared to championship players. They are actually trying to do there job but Southgate is not getting the message across to play out from the back. It also endorses what I have said about whatever team Southgate picks. It don’t matter, the same tactics will be played. The only difference is that another defensive midfielder will protect his defence and poor tactics.
The two teams that have kicked the most from the back, England and Scotland. Coincidence. No.

Quote from the piece.
The statistics show that Pickford has attempted to launch the ball more than any other player in the competition after two rounds of games. It is not a recipe for ball retention. It is a tactic more suited to unfancied sides than a supposedly ambitious England outfit.

Of course, this is Pickford's natural game at club level under Sean Dyche at Everton. He hit 968 long passes in the past Premier League season, 77 more than Luton goalkeeper Thomas Kaminski and over 200 more than any other player in the competition. This swarm-plot highlights just what an outlier Pickford is stylistically.

The key difference is that Dyche's tactics make sense because everybody knows this is the plan. When Everton launch the ball long, it is with a view to getting bodies around the centre-forward, winning possession high up the pitch and playing from there.

Is that the plan when Pickford looks for Kane? Not when Foden is inside his own box and Bellingham is making a similar movement towards his goalkeeper. How could they help press at the other end when Kane lost out? They had anticipated another pass entirely.

Who is that down to, it’s not rocket science to figure out. Unless you are the England manager.

How does that excuse Foden being unable to pass it 5 yards to a teammate , dribbling into a dead end , Kane being in the left back clearing the ball to them , Walker playing a suicide ball to them , rice constantly kicking it straight out ,

Southgate is one of the issues but there are plenty players that have been shocking as well

 

[Tashyboy]

Or if actually watch the games you’ll see he only starts the long balls when we are under constant pressure!
He’s probably fed up of giving the ball to a defender and then them losing it immediately to the opposition.

We hate Southgate, we want him out, but this constant blaming him for every mistake on the pitch is getting tiresome.

How do these World Class players like Foden and Bellingham lose the ability to pass to each other or fail to get past a player with the ball, or Pickford deciding to go long?

Some of it is the players Tash, they have to stand up and be counted at times.

Were are all the articles highlighting all these mistakes in the first half hour against Serbia or the first 20 against Denmark?

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Or if actually watch the games you’ll see he only starts the long balls when we are under constant pressure!
He’s probably fed up of giving the ball to a defender and then them losing it immediately to the opposition.
Am not sure he has got to a position where he is fed up because he has hardly passed it out from the back. If Pickford has reverted to his natural game it is not helping England and Southgate as a coach should see that.

 

[Reemul]

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Or if actually watch the games you’ll see he only starts the long balls when we are under constant pressure!
He’s probably fed up of giving the ball to a defender and then them losing it immediately to the opposition.
Am not sure he has got to a position where he is fed up because he has hardly passed it out from the back. If Pickford has reverted to his natural game it is not helping England and Southgate as a coach should see that.

That's rubbish m8, we are not playing long ball and Pickford is not hardly playing any short balls. it's a Pickford plays for a poorer team hatchet job and totally not an accurate representation of what we are seeing. Pickford's long passes in general are excellent when he uses them, he is probably the best GK with long passes in the league, he's quick and accurate. HOw many passes are long against short, how many are because no one is in a position to recieve short passes ands on an on and on, total rubbish

When watching the 2 games it's the above comments that highlight the issues, we are slow, ponderous, lacking energy, out of position players, poor performances, poor passing and so on and apparently you think that's down to Pickford doing too many long passes. Really....

 

[PaulMdj]

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Or if actually watch the games you’ll see he only starts the long balls when we are under constant pressure!
He’s probably fed up of giving the ball to a defender and then them losing it immediately to the opposition.
Am not sure he has got to a position where he is fed up because he has hardly passed it out from the back. If Pickford has reverted to his natural game it is not helping England and Southgate as a coach should see that.

You obviously didn’t read the article you quoted! Otherwise you’d of seen the diagram showing how much more successful Pickford has been when passing it short and how that number outweighs the long ball.

I’m not defending Pickford per say, if he’s going against the managers plan he should be dropped, but you used the article to bash Southgate!

Bunkermagnet the other night listed the stats to defend TAA and you dismissed them? Strange how the stats that suit your pov are ok.

 

[clubchamp98]

Or if actually watch the games you’ll see he only starts the long balls when we are under constant pressure!
He’s probably fed up of giving the ball to a defender and then them losing it immediately to the opposition.

We hate Southgate, we want him out, but this constant blaming him for every mistake on the pitch is getting tiresome.

How do these World Class players like Foden and Bellingham lose the ability to pass to each other or fail to get past a player with the ball, or Pickford deciding to go long?

Some of it is the players Tash, they have to stand up and be counted at times.

Were are all the articles highlighting all these mistakes in the first half hour against Serbia or the first 20 against Denmark?

I agree.
But I wonder if the players are highlighting this to GS on the training ground.
It is just the same as when he first took over.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804766295906197961

 

[PaulMdj]

I agree.
But I wonder if the players are highlighting this to GS on the training ground.
It is just the same as when he first took over.

You played football, can you honestly say that when you played and something wasn’t working on the pitch you would stick with it? Or would you talk to each other and change it?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804859065496965250

 

[clubchamp98]

You played football, can you honestly say that when you played and something wasn’t working on the pitch you would stick with it? Or would you talk to each other and change it?

Yes I was the captain.
If we had a problem on the pitch it was my job to sort it out.

But pro football is a different league they have a system of playing if it’s not working the manager has to get the info to the players what to change.
Usually by the subs.
I don’t think modern players can go against orders as much as the old fashion captain who was the manager on the pitch.
Captains now are just namesake only. imo of course there are some good ones.

 

[clubchamp98]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804859065496965250

That’s good news.

 

[Pin-seeker]

You obviously didn’t read the article you quoted! Otherwise you’d of seen the diagram showing how much more successful Pickford has been when passing it short and how that number outweighs the long ball.

I’m not defending Pickford per say, if he’s going against the managers plan he should be dropped, but you used the article to bash Southgate!

Bunkermagnet the other night listed the stats to defend TAA and you dismissed them? Strange how the stats that suit your pov are ok.

Everyone is guilty of this

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1804766295906197961

let’s see if he releases them,or just trying to be relevant

 

[Pin-seeker]

Imagine if City get found not guilty.
People’s heads a seriously going to fall off

 

[PaulMdj]

Yes I was the captain.
If we had a problem on the pitch it was my job to sort it out.

But pro football is a different league they have a system of playing if it’s not working the manager has to get the info to the players what to change.
Usually by the subs.
I don’t think modern players can go against orders as much as the old fashion captain who was the manager on the pitch.
Captains now are just namesake only. imo of course there are some good ones.

Come on! Do you honestly believe if England come up against an individual “running” the game from midfield, no one on the pitch has the gumption to pick him up or talk to each other to combat them and needs Southgate to make a decision.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Pep Guardiola once subbed Thierry Henry off as punishment for scoring a goal

Pep Guardiola once subbed Thierry Henry off as punishment for scoring a goal

tribuna.com

 

[clubchamp98]

Come on! Do you honestly believe if England come up against an individual “running” the game from midfield, no one on the pitch has the gumption to pick him up or talk to each other to combat them and needs Southgate to make a decision.

I’d like to think so but the evidence speaks for itself.
They look scared to go against orders imo.

Did the midfield players say to Kane “ stop dropping into our space your crowding it and we have no out ball as your not where your supposed to be”

If there’s a op player pulling the strings I would ask one of the lads to sort it out and man mark him to give him no time.
I’m not sure England players will do that.
Because they would be watching on the telly with Ben White.( he would be quite handy atm looking at our full back situation)

That would not happen at club level where the players would sort it out themselves.

 

[clubchamp98]

Everyone is guilty of this

Yes that’s how social media works

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Best English chant of the tournament goes to Denmark fans.
Better not say what it is on here though as I don't want a permanent ban.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Best English chant of the tournament goes to Denmark fans.
Better not say what it is on here though as I don't want a permanent ban.

I’m intrigued