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SocketRocket
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Still makes them look like poor losers.
harpo_72
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Absolutely, he needs to stay and keep up the good work. He is the most successful manager in 55 years!
harpo_72
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All day long, you cannot brush that off as a shirt tug, that is a physical assault and in no way part of the game… if he wanted Saka’s shirt he should have waited for the game to finish and for him to get his head out of it… this epitomises unacceptable football behaviours and the ref has only re-enforced them being acceptable.
They are trying to let the skilful players play, Zlatan said he pulled him down like a child, and I can imagine Zlatan would have run off with Chiellini’s arm still attached to his shirt … but that is not football, rugby doesn’t allow it either …
RE. the Saka incident my son calls those orange card moments. Worse than a yellow, not quite a red. It is what sin bins were designed for but football doesn't seem keen on them. 10 minutes or more with your team down a player might make players think about these things.
Unfortunately orange cards don’t exist yet…hope it does happen though. In rugby a collar tug is a straight red because it’s deemed dangerous.
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By the rules it’s a shirt pull which is a yellow - for it to be a red then it’s got to be dangerous play , pulling a shirt ?
I think the ref got that one rightI can’t see any referee giving it a red and VAR seemed to agree with the ref and didn’t even appear to be any potential red card check
It’s cynical and professional but not a ref imo
RichA
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For what it's worth, in American Football, where bone crunching tackles are the norm, this manoeuvre, the horse collar tackle, is specifically outlawed because it is so dangerous.
Orikoru
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I felt that was a yellow as letter of the law it's still a shirt tug. However the studs into Grealish's knee later could definitely have been a red - we've seen softer reds in this very tournament, like Ampadu and the Swedish lad.
GB72
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Pretty much the same with rugby, a shirt pull will get you a penalty with maybe a yellow in some circumstances but yank someone back by the collar and you are looking at a straight red.
AmandaJR
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Contact to the neck - very dangerous. Should have been off and charged with assault!
Or at least sent on the first plane home
Or at least sent on the first plane home
clubchamp98
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Football has to be dragged into changing any laws.
They don’t do themselves any favours with some of the really soft sendings off.
Then a full on stamp ,over the ball on Grealish is just yellow.
That isn’t just your average shirt pull, and as far as I am aware it’s up to the ref to gauge the severity of the offence, that’s why I think he got both wrong and VAR won’t go against him.
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Can this now clear up the clear goal scoring opportunity misinformation please
There are two defenders who could get to saka if he had broken through which is why it couldn't be a red under that law.
Infact watching again...he not even last man!!!
SaintHacker
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The Grealish one I thought the ref got right, his foot bounces off the ball onto Grealish, its nasty but not intentional. The shirt pull was downright dangerous and should have been a red imo
Mudball
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unfortuantely, the same idiots have also been shouting Southgate Out..
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For dangerous play or excessive force id agree but not the last man or clear goal scoring thats been banded about
harpo_72
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He would have been the last man as Saka was about to get on his bike.. it’s just too violent to be a simple shirt tug,
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The force I agree with
But at time of challenge he is behind saka and isn't last man as shown in that video
Those 2 defenders could have easily got there
So can't be clear goal scoring opportunity hence a yellow
But are we really surprised the Italians were playing dirty? It's what they shine at
Orikoru
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If we obsess over these decisions we're no better than the Danes and their sour grapes! We had ample opportunity to go and win the game and we didn't take it.
Not sure about the last man bit. However, Law 12 is clear on violent or excessive force. It’s a sending off offence. It then becomes a subjective opinion from the ref and VAR. Was a shirt pull that resembled a garrotte excessive? The ref and VAR thought not. I would agree with them if it had been a straightforward shirt pull.
I believe the desire to allow play to flow and to try and keep cards in pockets, throughout the tournament, actually let down the decent players and gave excessive licence to the thugs in some teams.
