The Footie Thread

[Swango1980]

Why dosnt that go for outfield players then?
I agree with you by the way ,but you can’t have different rules for different players.
Been people sent off for that.
I think if you get a bit of the ball it’s a good tackle ,and didn’t think that’s a pen.

If a defender was in a position for whatever reason, and came out to block the shot like the keeper did, I'd also think it wasn't a foul, as he blocked the shot.

 

[clubchamp98]

If a defender was in a position for whatever reason, and came out to block the shot like the keeper did, I'd also think it wasn't a foul, as he blocked the shot.

Yes but I think most PL refs disagree with us.

 

[garyinderry]

The keepers are different to outfield players as they often have players running straight at them and they are running straight at the players.
The keeper in this instance had to come out and use his legs to make sure jones didn't just poke the ball under him. Jones delays and delays and eventually the keeper sticks a leg out and luckily enough makes contact on the ball, albeit using his shin. Jones then runs into him when he eventually trys to take a shot.

 

[clubchamp98]

The keepers are different to outfield players as they often have players running straight at them and they are running straight at the players.
The keeper in this instance had to come out and use his legs to make sure jones didn't just poke the ball under him. Jones delays and delays and eventually the keeper sticks a leg out and luckily enough makes contact on the ball, albeit using his shin. Jones then runs into him when he eventually trys to take a shot.

That’s correct.
But I think Tosin is pushing him in the back as well that’s why he delayed getting his shot off.

The keeper has both feet on the ground and gets a bit of the ball for me that’s not a pen.

 

[Rlburnside]

He didn't kick him he was attempting to play the ball, VDV was trying to shield the ball with his body

However what followed is unforgivable

Bit late to this but Kudos kicked him in the arse , lost his head which is a pity for you as he was your best player and will be missed for 3 games

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yes but he tackled like a pub centre half.
If he’d gone with his hands no problem.

Outfield does the same tackle it’s a foul all day long - there is nothing different for a gk , they haven’t got any different laws

The tackle was given as a foul and a penalty which every ref in the game would have given watching it

And then for it to be overturned it has to be a clear and obvious error - and that wasn’t a clear and obvious error - VaR should have just gone with the on pitch decision

 

[Swango1980]

Outfield does the same tackle it’s a foul all day long - there is nothing different for a gk , they haven’t got any different laws

The tackle was given as a foul and a penalty which every ref in the game would have given watching it

And then for it to be overturned it has to be a clear and obvious error - and that wasn’t a clear and obvious error - VaR should have just gone with the on pitch decision

Every ref in the game would have given it!????

And yet the VAR is a referee in the game, who recommended a review?

I will assume your statement is not based on fact, but used to try and prove your opinion to be correct

 

[PaulMdj]

Outfield does the same tackle it’s a foul all day long - there is nothing different for a gk , they haven’t got any different laws

The tackle was given as a foul and a penalty which every ref in the game would have given watching it

And then for it to be overturned it has to be a clear and obvious error - and that wasn’t a clear and obvious error - VaR should have just gone with the on pitch decision

If the Ref said Pen because he believed the keeper did not touch the ball then I’d agree with you, however, VAR proving the keeper did touch the ball is a clear and obvious error by the Ref.

Might need to wait and see if it gets discussed on the next Ref Watch.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The keepers are different to outfield players as they often have players running straight at them and they are running straight at the players.
The keeper in this instance had to come out and use his legs to make sure jones didn't just poke the ball under him. Jones delays and delays and eventually the keeper sticks a leg out and luckily enough makes contact on the ball, albeit using his shin. Jones then runs into him when he eventually trys to take a shot.

Perfectly legitimate challenge by the keeper. Got the ball and was going down to make a save. Right decision to overturn and not give the kick

 

[Don Barzini]

I thought the decision to not award a penalty was the correct one. Would have been an incredibly harsh call if it was given.

Personal thoughts are that the first one was soft and I don’t like seeing those given. However, in modern football it’s a penalty. Liverpool player dived and made a meal of it but I don’t blame him for that - seems they have to go down theatrically nowadays. I don’t like it but it’s the way it is.

 

[HeftyHacker]

Outfield does the same tackle it’s a foul all day long - there is nothing different for a gk , they haven’t got any different laws

The tackle was given as a foul and a penalty which every ref in the game would have given watching it

And then for it to be overturned it has to be a clear and obvious error - and that wasn’t a clear and obvious error - VaR should have just gone with the on pitch decision

I was at the game and from what I overheard, from people who have an idea of this sort of thing, the bit in bold wasn't as clear cut as you'd think.

I did ask for clarity on at what point an on-pitch decision should be overturned and they said its only if it's clear and obvious the wrong decision has been made - anything else (ie subjective) should stick with the on field decision.

Brilliant experience again though. Not been to Anfield since the expansions (very casual fan) but absolutely loved it.

Met Dalgleish, Rush and Gary McAllister so was like a kid at Christmas! Was also sat pretty much behind Lee Carsley etc.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If the Ref said Pen because he believed the keeper did not touch the ball then I’d agree with you, however, VAR proving the keeper did touch the ball is a clear and obvious error by the Ref.

Might need to wait and see if it gets discussed on the next Ref Watch.

Believe the old touch on the ball these days is irrelevant - a slight touch doesn’t allow any player to then clatter someone , we have seen it plenty of times where players have been booked or even sent off going through players even with the slightest touch

This is the issue with var - it’s the clear and obvious- even with the GK touch in then went onto jones again through the GKs legs and jones would been


I don’t see the decision being a clear and obvious error - very much subjective

I don’t think there is any doubt that if that tackle happens anywhere else then it’s a free kick and a yellow

 

[PaulMdj]

Believe the old touch on the ball these days is irrelevant - a slight touch doesn’t allow any player to then clatter someone , we have seen it plenty of times where players have been booked or even sent off going through players even with the slightest touch

This is the issue with var - it’s the clear and obvious- even with the GK touch in then went onto jones again through the GKs legs and jones would been


I don’t see the decision being a clear and obvious error - very much subjective

I don’t think there is any doubt that if that tackle happens anywhere else then it’s a free kick and a yellow

Hence why I said wait, if the keeper played the ball first and that’s his intent, I don’t think he’s done anything wrong, you have to remember there will be a coming together of players in that situation and if the keeper gets nowt on the ball, definite pen.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I was at the game and from what I overheard, from people who have an idea of this sort of thing, the bit in bold wasn't as clear cut as you'd think.

did ask for clarity on at what point an on-pitch decision should be overturned and they said its only if it's clear and obvious the wrong decision has been made - anything else (ie subjective) should stick with the on field decision.

Brilliant experience again though. Not been to Anfield since the expansions (very casual fan) but absolutely loved it.

Met Dalgleish, Rush and Gary McAllister so was like a kid at Christmas! Was also sat pretty much behind Lee Carsley etc.

That for me is the key thing - it’s certainly a subjective tackle , I still believe that in real time all refs will give that because from his angle he has just wiped the man out


Thankfully it didn’t affect the game too much despite the ref trying his best later

The Wolves one again - that for me was a clear error to flag for offside because Silva wasn’t interfering with play
Glad you had a great day

 

[Morfeen75]

Liverpool hard done by again i see

 

[Swango1980]

Believe the old touch on the ball these days is irrelevant - a slight touch doesn’t allow any player to then clatter someone , we have seen it plenty of times where players have been booked or even sent off going through players even with the slightest touch

This is the issue with var - it’s the clear and obvious- even with the GK touch in then went onto jones again through the GKs legs and jones would been


I don’t see the decision being a clear and obvious error - very much subjective

I don’t think there is any doubt that if that tackle happens anywhere else then it’s a free kick and a yellow

So, you believe it is very much subjective, but also said every ref in the game would give it as a penalty?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Hence why I said wait, if the keeper played the ball first and that’s his intent, I don’t think he’s done anything wrong, you have to remember there will be a coming together of players in that situation and if the keeper gets nowt on the ball, definite pen.

Also isn't a keeper different in as much as he is allowed to dive anyway so by coming out with the intent to make the save which I'd argue he achieved by getting to the ball first and preventing any sort of attacking action by the Liverpool player there will be an inveitable coming together anyway. Didn't make a deliberate motion to the player.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Hence why I said wait, if the keeper played the ball first and that’s his intent, I don’t think he’s done anything wrong, you have to remember there will be a coming together of players in that situation and if the keeper gets nowt on the ball, definite pen.

if the GK hadn’t took out Jones then he is through on goal as the ball has gone through the legs of the GK

It’s the sort of tackle that’s a foul everywhere else and it’s one we see all the time given

As you say will be sort of interesting to see what Webb and Owen say ( even though they are two of the most uninteresting people around )


It didn’t affect the result in the end so I suspect most of the focus will be on the Wolves one

 

[PaulMdj]

if the GK hadn’t took out Jones then he is through on goal as the ball has gone through the legs of the GK

It’s the sort of tackle that’s a foul everywhere else and it’s one we see all the time given

As you say will be sort of interesting to see what Webb and Owen say ( even though they are two of the most uninteresting people around )


It didn’t affect the result in the end so I suspect most of the focus will be on the Wolves one

Sometimes I’m not sure you watch the same game, any player with the ball in that situation is going to collide with the keeper, not every collision is a foul, both moving at speed, both in each others path, both going for the ball, no intent on either part to foul the other.

The onus is not on the keeper to avoid the other player.

I would add, I would hope anywhere else on the pitch the officials would look at intent.

 

[Bdill93]

Got the job done well this weekend against a Fulham side that had started the season very well.

Solid display, another away win, great start to the season!

On to the Champions League on Tuesday night