The Footie Thread

[HampshireHog]

As I said earlier, a booking could well have been given. I don't think it is cowardly, as he'd have had to face a potential reaction. Cowardly would have been had he knocked him out, and never given him a chance to stand up for himself. I'd call it petulant or silly.

Just don't think it was ever a red

Got it not cowardly unless you knock some out.

Then bravely running away afterwards.

 

[Swango1980]

Got it not cowardly unless you knock some out.

Then bravely running away afterwards.

A coward probably wouldn't throw the ball at a professional athletes head, knowing they could have to face the consequences

Using the word cowardly is just the overy emotive tripe that football fans and pundits like to throw out, creating a bigger drama. I simply don't believe Haaland was quaking at the boots in fear.

Therefore, I choose to think of it as petulance instead

 

[Orikoru]

A coward probably wouldn't throw the ball at a professional athletes head, knowing they could have to face the consequences

Using the word cowardly is just the overy emotive tripe that football fans and pundits like to throw out, creating a bigger drama. I simply don't believe Haaland was quaking at the boots in fear.

Therefore, I choose to think of it as petulance instead

The correct word for it can't be used on here, but it rhymes with quit-housery.

 

[Don Barzini]

Such is life, if that is the level in wish you are going to look at it.

If I decided to open a Burger Joint, it is probably going to be difficult for me to compete with McDonalds.

If you want to use the burger joint analogy, there wouldn't be rules in place to STOP you competing with McDonalds though, provided you had the investment to do so.

There wouldn't be rules that said "Even if you can afford to do so, you aren't allowed to spend as much on your burger joint as McDonalds are. And by the way, as soon as a branch of your burger joint starts doing well, you have to sell it. And the thing is, the only people you can realistically sell it to are McDonalds. But don't worry, you can use that money to reinvest in new up and coming burger joints. But when they're good, McDonalds will have them from you. Break these rules and we'll screw you over. Know your place, there's a good boy!".

 

[Swango1980]

If you want to use the burger joint analogy, there wouldn't be rules in place to STOP you competing with McDonalds though, provided you had the investment to do so.

There wouldn't be rules that said "Even if you can afford to do so, you aren't allowed to spend as much on your burger joint as McDonalds are. And by the way, as soon as a branch of your burger joint starts doing well, you have to sell it. And the thing is, the only people you can realistically sell it to are McDonalds. But don't worry, you can use that money to reinvest in new up and coming burger joints. But when they're good, McDonalds will have them from you. Break these rules and we'll screw you over. Know your place, there's a good boy!".

Are these the rules that Man City are currently having a struggle / battle with?

 

[Morfeen75]

Not really, we've seen it time and again. And at this point, I'm not talking only about on-field stuff when I call them the Protected Six - I'm talking about off-field factors as well.
Be totally honest with me now - do you think ANYONE outside the Big Six could mount a serious challenge to become a proper and lasting "top club"? I don't mean winning the occasional FA or Carabao Cup here and there. Or a freak and probably never-to-be-seen-again title win like Leicester 2015-16. I mean properly becoming a team that can challenge for major honours.

Brighton look like they've got a great football set up with a sustainable business plan where they look like they could break into the top 6 on merit providing the fans expectations dont exceed there position. Some fans see progression then expect immediate success . Villa are probably another. The biggest problem is theyre now fighting against a corporation like Manchester City that has more wealth than sense.

Cos I don't. There are literally rules in place to stop anyone doing this. You can argue they aren't there purely to protect the Big Six, of course you can. But the fact remains that they are indeed "The Protected Six" because of those rules. Their status is literally ring-fenced.

What rules are you talking about? i hear fans moaning about these rules but nobody ever says the exact rule of "xxx" or "yyy". We heard the same during brexit, lets take back control and make our own rules again but nobody ever highlighted the rules they wanted changing.

No club's status is being ring fenced.

I'll use Manchester United as an example, arguably Britains biggest football club. Worldwide they make hundreds of millions of pounds every season. They will always make money even if they go through a barren spell on the pitch. Blue chip companies will always invest in brands like MUFC. They will probably make more money than the rest of the PL clubs.

It's the way it is and as I've said I don't blame fans for it. But it gets annoying when fans of those clubs try to claim the playing field is level. It simply isn't.

You cant have a level playing field in any sport if all 20 clubs dont have the same finances. There will always be disparity.

Going back to Leicesters PL win, only Manchester United recorded fewer points on 2 occassions. Do you see this current Manchester City regressing so far back and winning 66pts? Or Arsenal and Liverpool ?

 

[nickjdavis]

Nah, I've just accepted it's the way it is. Playing field isn't level, that's the PL for you.

2 foot slope from the Leazes end towards the Gallowgate at Newcastle...that why you most often see Newcastle choosing to attack the Leazes end in the first half of a match (usually playing from right to left when seen on the telly) so they can kick downhill (left to right) in the second half.

At least we are doing something to try to even things up.

 

[Pin-seeker]

The way the team plays isn’t set up for goals from the middle - Dom can provide that at times but it’s more about the working and running - when Elliot comes back that will allow Dom to be rotated and potentially someone who can play next to Grav to push Gary Mac forward

But the club won’t be looking to buy Palmer and I don’t expect Chelsea to entertain selling him to anyone in the Prem and certainly not going to spend over £100mil on one player

Tried it with Caicedo,£111m I believe the bid was

 

[Don Barzini]

Are these the rules that Man City are currently having a struggle / battle with?

Dunno, I’ve not read all of the 115 charges.

But it might not surprise you to learn that I am deeply cynical over whether they will receive an appropriate level of punishment. And I will be delighted if I am incorrect about that.

 

[Neilds]

@Don Barzini You still haven’t said who the ‘Protected Six’ are?

 

[Swango1980]

Dunno, I’ve not read all of the 115 charges.

But it might not surprise you to learn that I am deeply cynical over whether they will receive an appropriate level of punishment. And I will be delighted if I am incorrect about that.

I'm not convinced either, especially after Leicester case (protected 6 club?)

But clubs like yours and Everton will obviously have a deep opinion about it.

I don't think it has much to do with Protected 6, more to do with sub standard rules in a sub standard system used to try and control spending. Every club will probably try and get as close to the line as possible, or cross the line if they think there are loopholes.

 

[Steve Wilkes]

As I said earlier, a booking could well have been given. I don't think it is cowardly, as he'd have had to face a potential reaction. Cowardly would have been had he knocked him out, and never given him a chance to stand up for himself. I'd call it petulant or silly.

Just don't think it was ever a red

I think you will find, If a player throws a ball at someone's head from 2 yards away with that force in a future game, he will be off, unless the officials are bias of course

 

[clubchamp98]

I think you will find, If a player throws a ball at someone's head from 2 yards away with that force in a future game, he will be off, unless the officials are bias of course

Yes and it’s not like nobody seen it!

 

[Don Barzini]

@Don Barzini You still haven’t said who the ‘Protected Six’ are?

That’s because I don’t consider it a serious question, if you’re a football fan.

If it genuinely is, Google is your friend. “Protected” Six is one I use. “Big” Six will yield your answer.

 

[Swango1980]

I think you will find, If a player throws a ball at someone's head from 2 yards away with that force in a future game, he will be off, unless the officials are bias of course

I'm not sure. Would VAR not have seem it, or has Howard Webb come out to say it was violent conduct?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That’s because I don’t consider it a serious question, if you’re a football fan.

If it genuinely is, Google is your friend. “Protected” Six is one I use. ”Big” Six will yield your answer.

That brings up the 6 position on the pitch ? A crossword

The big 6 are normally highlighted as

Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Man City
Chelsea
Spurs

But then you can’t use the penalty stuff as spurs were near the bottom of penalties given

Still don’t know how they are “protected” - they are required to follow the rules the same as others

Forest were part of a big club set up once , same with Everton

What happened to both them - mis management at the end of the day , same with the likes of Villa , Leeds , Blackburn etc

Brighton have managed to become a solid prem team through good management , why can’t others do the same.

In all the years football has been around - there have always been “big clubs”

Years back the likes of Preston , Burnley etc were big clubs

I’m guessing when Forest could afford to be the first club to buy a £1mil player they had no issues with being part of the “big clubs” then

Do people want the sport to be like US sports - finding anyway possible to balance out the teams - the best players go to the worst teams etc

 

[Don Barzini]

That brings up the 6 position on the pitch ? A crossword

The big 6 are normally highlighted as

Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Man City
Chelsea
Spurs

But then you can’t use the penalty stuff as spurs were near the bottom of penalties given

Still don’t know how they are “protected” - they are required to follow the rules the same as others

Forest were part of a big club set up once , same with Everton

What happened to both them - mis management at the end of the day , same with the likes of Villa , Leeds , Blackburn etc

Brighton have managed to become a solid prem team through good management , why can’t others do the same.

In all the years football has been around - there have always been “big clubs”

Years back the likes of Preston , Burnley etc were big clubs

I’m guessing when Forest could afford to be the first club to buy a £1mil player they had no issues with being part of the “big clubs” then

Do people want the sport to be like US sports - finding anyway possible to balance out the teams - the best players go to the worst teams etc

Look man, you do you. I have to leave this for the evening. Carry on believing there’s no such thing as a Big Six, that it’s all a level playing field and that anyone and everyone can hit the top. I’m content with what I believe too.

Enjoy the game at Anfield against Chelsea that you’ll be going to.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Look man, you do you. I have to leave this for the evening. Carry on believing there’s no such thing as a Big Six, that it’s all a level playing field and that anyone and everyone can hit the top. I’m content with what I believe too.

Enjoy the game at Anfield against Chelsea that you’ll be going to.

There is a big 6 or there is big clubs - people aren’t disagreeing with that

It’s this constant stuff about them being “protected”

It’s sport - there are many ways to improve the team

We haven’t had as much money as other teams , we have had to sell big players and have had to use that money to bring in others

There will always be a way for a team to get in amongst the top teams as proven over the years

 

[Pin-seeker]

There is a big 6 or there is big clubs - people aren’t disagreeing with that

It’s this constant stuff about them being “protected”

It’s sport - there are many ways to improve the team

We haven’t had as much money as other teams , we have had to sell big players and have had to use that money to bring in others

There will always be a way for a team to get in amongst the top teams as proven over the years

Seriously Phil does it really matter??
Have a day off

 

[Pin-seeker]

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