The Footie Thread

[HomerJSimpson]

I thought it was very funny

Enough said

 

[clubchamp98]

I agree to disagree with you

I actually think there is a bias but you can’t really blame the clubs or supporters for that.
That’s Howard’s job the only one he’s got.
The refs make the decisions but when questioned even on here are defended .

The atmosphere at bigger clubs must have a sway on refs there only human.

There should be a panel for diving / violent conduct for stuff the ref and VAR misses or just gets plain wrong.

Maybe away from the stadium atmosphere the decisions will become more level.

 

[Swango1980]

Does that include picking the ball up and deliberately throwing it at the back of an opponents head while he’s got his shirt over his head.

Haaland in the Arsenal game after they scored.

I was a bit suprized virtually nothing was said about it.

I heard loads about it, think Talksport talked about it loads. Cowardly was the headline.

I had no issue with it. Bit of needle, never going to hurt anyone. Maybe a yellow if ref saw it, for potentially trying to inflame a situation.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Does that include picking the ball up and deliberately throwing it at the back of an opponents head while he’s got his shirt over his head.

Haaland in the Arsenal game after they scored.

I was a bit suprized virtually nothing was said about it.

I thought that was a bit of silliness, nothing more. Not violent. Not imo.

 

[Don Barzini]

I actually think there is a bias but you can’t really blame the clubs or supporters for that.

I certainly don’t blame supporters for it.

Clubs? Hmmmm, yes I do a bit. I mean, Old Red Nose and his brigade probably started all this off. As an example, how many games/years went by before a penalty was awarded to an away team at the Stretford End? It has continued from there, with the Famous Six now all benefitting from it - on and away from the pitch.

Glass ceiling for Sky Six. 10 foot thick ceiling of concrete for everyone else.

Just the way it is. I don’t blame Protected Six fans for being happy with the situation of not being able to be seriously challenged by everyone else. But sometimes the entitlement they show gets a bit annoying.

 

[Bdill93]

I certainly don’t blame supporters for it.

Clubs? Hmmmm, yes I do a bit. I mean, Old Red Nose and his brigade probably started all this off. As an example, how many games/years went by before a penalty was awarded to an away team at the Stretford End? It has continued from there, with the Famous Six now all benefitting from it - on and away from the pitch.

Glass ceiling for Sky Six. 10 foot thick ceiling of concrete for everyone else.

Just the way it is. I don’t blame Protected Six fans for being happy with the situation of not being able to be seriously challenged by everyone else. But sometimes the entitlement they show gets a bit annoying.

I do agree there is unconscious bias amongst refs....

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I understand that the "better sides" will have more of the ball near the opposition goal, but Villa finished 4th last year and dominated the ball in a lot of games... 4 penalties...

Chelsea were rubbish - had 12!!!!

 

[clubchamp98]

I thought that was a bit of silliness, nothing more. Not violent. Not imo.

You get yellow for kicking the ball away now.
Players have been told not to touch the ball after the whistle has gone.
So I think throwing a ball at someone’s head is a yellow at least.
And because it was Haaland should have been red.

 

[clubchamp98]

I certainly don’t blame supporters for it.

Clubs? Hmmmm, yes I do a bit. I mean, Old Red Nose and his brigade probably started all this off. As an example, how many games/years went by before a penalty was awarded to an away team at the Stretford End? It has continued from there, with the Famous Six now all benefitting from it - on and away from the pitch.

Glass ceiling for Sky Six. 10 foot thick ceiling of concrete for everyone else.

Just the way it is. I don’t blame Protected Six fans for being happy with the situation of not being able to be seriously challenged by everyone else. But sometimes the entitlement they show gets a bit annoying.

Yes but at OT the other so called top five didn’t get any penalties either .
I remember Neville chopping Fowler in half and the ref had his eyes shut.

I think most footy fans know a bad decision when they see it !
Just not against their own teams
Selective vision I belive.

 

[Swango1980]

I certainly don’t blame supporters for it.

Clubs? Hmmmm, yes I do a bit. I mean, Old Red Nose and his brigade probably started all this off. As an example, how many games/years went by before a penalty was awarded to an away team at the Stretford End? It has continued from there, with the Famous Six now all benefitting from it - on and away from the pitch.

Glass ceiling for Sky Six. 10 foot thick ceiling of concrete for everyone else.

Just the way it is. I don’t blame Protected Six fans for being happy with the situation of not being able to be seriously challenged by everyone else. But sometimes the entitlement they show gets a bit annoying.

I guess Man Utd are no longer I'm the protected 6 then. I didn't feel they were after Bruno recently got sent off, or Casemiro the other season v Palace. I'm sure there are plenty other decisions I wasn't delighted by.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if clubs lower down the table experience more bad decisions against them. After all, they are up against it more often than higher flying teams, so will inevitably be involved in more incidents were a ref could potentially make an important and wrong decision against them

 

[clubchamp98]

I think as players get faster and fitter the refs havnt kept up.

The technology has showed how wrong they can get it but the human element of VAR gets it just as wrong and backs up wrong decisions imo.

The human element will always make mistakes.
But with 8 screens they shouldn’t make some of the high profile ones they have.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I do agree there is unconscious bias amongst refs....

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I understand that the "better sides" will have more of the ball near the opposition goal, but Villa finished 4th last year and dominated the ball in a lot of games... 4 penalties...

Chelsea were rubbish - had 12!!!!

The key thing is that the “better”’teams have more opportunities within the box for penalties etc

 

[HampshireHog]

I thought that was a bit of silliness, nothing more. Not violent. Not imo.

For everyone who said it was funny, they would have frothing at the mouth had it been one of there team on the receiving end.

He was a lucky boy there was no reaction to it on the pitch.

 

[Morfeen75]

I guess Man Utd are no longer I'm the protected 6 then. I didn't feel they were after Bruno recently got sent off, or Casemiro the other season v Palace. I'm sure there are plenty other decisions I wasn't delighted by.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if clubs lower down the table experience more bad decisions against them. After all, they are up against it more often than higher flying teams, so will inevitably be involved in more incidents were a ref could potentially make an important and wrong decision against them

The protected 6 simply does not exist. It seems @Don Barzini is allowing his emotional attachment to his club affect his judgement to a particular incident or decision thats gone against his team.

It is of my opinion that referees dont referee 2 games the same. At times it seems like they believe they are a major part of the spectacle rather than there to apply the laws of the game.

After listening to the VAR converstaion between the refs in the Manchester United v Spurs game, it sounded like the VAR was stuck inbetween over ruling the onfield ref and this high bar the powers that be have set. Referees make mistakes, we have to accept they're made in good faith and move on.

 

[AmandaJR]

I thought it was very funny

Beat me to it - so did Haaland!!

 

[Swango1980]

For everyone who said it was funny, they would have frothing at the mouth had it been one of there team on the receiving end.

He was a lucky boy there was no reaction to it on the pitch.

And if one of their players did it, they'd have cheered. Making refereeing decisions based on the reaction of excited, passionate fans would obviously not be recommended.

 

[Don Barzini]

The protected 6 simply does not exist. It seems @Don Barzini is allowing his emotional attachment to his club affect his judgement to a particular incident or decision thats gone against his team.

Not really, we've seen it time and again. And at this point, I'm not talking only about on-field stuff when I call them the Protected Six - I'm talking about off-field factors as well.

Be totally honest with me now - do you think ANYONE outside the Big Six could mount a serious challenge to become a proper and lasting "top club"? I don't mean winning the occasional FA or Carabao Cup here and there. Or a freak and probably never-to-be-seen-again title win like Leicester 2015-16. I mean properly becoming a team that can challenge for major honours.

Cos I don't. There are literally rules in place to stop anyone doing this. You can argue they aren't there purely to protect the Big Six, of course you can. But the fact remains that they are indeed "The Protected Six" because of those rules. Their status is literally ring-fenced.

It's the way it is and as I've said I don't blame fans for it. But it gets annoying when fans of those clubs try to claim the playing field is level. It simply isn't.

 

[HampshireHog]

And if one of their players did it, they'd have cheered. Making refereeing decisions based on the reaction of excited, passionate fans would obviously not be recommended.

I think that hitting someone who isn’t looking is cowardly. If the official had spotted it, it would have been at least a booking.

 

[Swango1980]

Not really, we've seen it time and again. And at this point, I'm not talking only about on-field stuff when I call them the Protected Six - I'm talking about off-field factors as well.

Be totally honest with me now - do you think ANYONE outside the Big Six could mount a serious challenge to become a proper and lasting "top club"? I don't mean winning the occasional FA or Carabao Cup here and there. Or a freak and probably never-to-be-seen-again title win like Leicester 2015-16. I mean properly becoming a team that can challenge for major honours.

Cos I don't. There are literally rules in place to stop anyone doing this. You can argue they aren't there purely to protect the Big Six, of course you can. But the fact remains that they are indeed "The Protected Six" because of those rules. Their status is literally ring-fenced.

It's the way it is and as I've said I don't blame fans for it. But it gets annoying when fans of those clubs try to claim the playing field is level. It simply isn't.

Such is life, if that is the level in wish you are going to look at it.

If I decided to open a Burger Joint, it is probably going to be difficult for me to compete with McDonalds.

The big 6 (or whatever) clubs have a lot of money, and probably a huge global support compared to others. Like it or not, that is going to give them advantages (the global support also helping generate huge income streams).

So, Gainsborough Trinity are not going to suddenly be able to compete against Man City. In fact, it is going to be hugely difficult for them to ever get anywhere within the same stratosphere of City or Liverpool. So yes, different playing fields. But it isn't unfair, it is life.

I doubt more than 95% of football clubs around England would ever be able to compete with Forest. Do Forest get top club bias, or do they not just because there are a handful of clubs doing a lot better than them at this time?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Not really, we've seen it time and again. And at this point, I'm not talking only about on-field stuff when I call them the Protected Six - I'm talking about off-field factors as well.

Be totally honest with me now - do you think ANYONE outside the Big Six could mount a serious challenge to become a proper and lasting "top club"? I don't mean winning the occasional FA or Carabao Cup here and there. Or a freak and probably never-to-be-seen-again title win like Leicester 2015-16. I mean properly becoming a team that can challenge for major honours.

Cos I don't. There are literally rules in place to stop anyone doing this. You can argue they aren't there purely to protect the Big Six, of course you can. But the fact remains that they are indeed "The Protected Six" because of those rules. Their status is literally ring-fenced.

It's the way it is and as I've said I don't blame fans for it. But it gets annoying when fans of those clubs try to claim the playing field is level. It simply isn't.

How many times since 1982 have been the big six and properly challenged for honours on a consistent basis

Liverpool
Everton
Man Utd
Arsenal
Chelsea
Man City

Are they the “top 6” ?

Or does it in include

Spurs
Newcastle
Villa
Brighton

Who are these “protected 6”

 

[Swango1980]

I think that hitting someone who isn’t looking is cowardly. If the official had spotted it, it would have been at least a booking.

As I said earlier, a booking could well have been given. I don't think it is cowardly, as he'd have had to face a potential reaction. Cowardly would have been had he knocked him out, and never given him a chance to stand up for himself. I'd call it petulant or silly.

Just don't think it was ever a red