The Footie Thread

[Billysboots]

So basically Phil I think we all agree that it’s not nice.
But don’t spend so much time listening out for it & try not to let it spoil your viewing experience.

oh & don’t feel the need to report on here so much,we all know it happens ??

It’s not especially nice. But it’s part of the game, one traditionally followed by the working classes, and as such it’s so ingrained that it will never be eradicated. Never.

 

[Pin-seeker]

In these times when foodbanks are heavily relied upon around the country, and opposing fans bring donations to support that teams local foodbank's, i'm sure you'd agree it's poor taste to be singing about feeding scousers or any other region for that matter when theres kids not geting enough food?

Even more so when one of you're own players has spent the last 2yrs campaigning and highlighting the problem in his very own City. ?‍

Whilst it’s not offensive to me personally, i hear it and shake my head. There's at least 12 foodbanks in Salford alone, it’s a bit meh and should be jibbed imo.

Agreed it’s out of order & daft.
But like you say,just shake your head at it.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It's funny how people turn a blind eye about kids not eating enough and food poverty yet get all outraged at a few people booing a song about a mythical god saving a multi billionaire ?‍?‍

Its only banter......

 

[Pin-seeker]

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...leicester-city-fans-foodbanks-poverty-1373744

“And any criticism of their song will be viewed as a stance of unhelpful wokeness, that term used as an insult by those who refuse to believe that “wokeness” simply reflects an intention not to be an irredeemable d___. We are at the football and at the football we banter. If you can’t stand the heat, stay at home in your echo chamber, snowflake.”

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But that argument falls down quickly. Chants about racism and homophobia are against the law and thus punishable, but there are other topics that almost every football supporter would consider beyond the pale on decency grounds. You would not chant about cancer or, to be topical, you would not mock those who have died of Covid-19. That suggests that an unwritten code does exist. And poverty should be part of that code.

For banter to avoid becoming b*nter, it must have a vein of humour running through it. What is funny about 2.5 million people in the UK using a food bank in 2020 and 2021? Where is the punchline in children growing up in abject poverty and often not getting a hot meal from one day to the next? At what point do you think using the state of a nation in which almost a quarter of households are behind on their bills is something to joke about rather than lament?”


But worse than that, poverty chants are a grim example of punching down. It is particularly tasteless at football matches because football was a working-class sport that eventually transformed into middle-class leisure pursuit through the rise in ticket prices and because it is one of the few places where people gather en masse and proudly display their tribalism. Very few at the King Power on Tuesday will have experienced poverty because the cheapest season ticket renewal in the East Stand cost £420 last summer.

As for the geographical slur to Merseyside, take a look around you. According to the End Child Poverty Coalition, in 2017 Leicester was eighth in the table of local authorities with the highest rates of child poverty in the UK; the percentage of children in poverty after housing costs was 41 per cent. In January this year, 12 per cent of adults in the city were worried about having enough food. Rising energy prices, the end of the Universal Credit uplift and the impact of Covid-19 will only make things harder. Leicester City are a football club that does brilliant things for its community. If nothing else, demonstrate your love for that club by following their example.

Seriously Phil you need to chill out mate.
This is a football thread on a golf forum.

 

[Billysboots]

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...leicester-city-fans-foodbanks-poverty-1373744

“And any criticism of their song will be viewed as a stance of unhelpful wokeness, that term used as an insult by those who refuse to believe that “wokeness” simply reflects an intention not to be an irredeemable d___. We are at the football and at the football we banter. If you can’t stand the heat, stay at home in your echo chamber, snowflake.”

“
But that argument falls down quickly. Chants about racism and homophobia are against the law and thus punishable, but there are other topics that almost every football supporter would consider beyond the pale on decency grounds. You would not chant about cancer or, to be topical, you would not mock those who have died of Covid-19. That suggests that an unwritten code does exist. And poverty should be part of that code.

For banter to avoid becoming b*nter, it must have a vein of humour running through it. What is funny about 2.5 million people in the UK using a food bank in 2020 and 2021? Where is the punchline in children growing up in abject poverty and often not getting a hot meal from one day to the next? At what point do you think using the state of a nation in which almost a quarter of households are behind on their bills is something to joke about rather than lament?”


But worse than that, poverty chants are a grim example of punching down. It is particularly tasteless at football matches because football was a working-class sport that eventually transformed into middle-class leisure pursuit through the rise in ticket prices and because it is one of the few places where people gather en masse and proudly display their tribalism. Very few at the King Power on Tuesday will have experienced poverty because the cheapest season ticket renewal in the East Stand cost £420 last summer.

As for the geographical slur to Merseyside, take a look around you. According to the End Child Poverty Coalition, in 2017 Leicester was eighth in the table of local authorities with the highest rates of child poverty in the UK; the percentage of children in poverty after housing costs was 41 per cent. In January this year, 12 per cent of adults in the city were worried about having enough food. Rising energy prices, the end of the Universal Credit uplift and the impact of Covid-19 will only make things harder. Leicester City are a football club that does brilliant things for its community. If nothing else, demonstrate your love for that club by following their example.

Phil, rather than cutting and pasting the above, try and confront the realities. One person’s offensive chant is, whether you or any academic like it or not, another person’s banter. The only way you ever stamp out what you deem an unsavoury chant, is to get everyone else to agree it’s unsavoury, then draw up a proscribed list of chants/words, then identify those responsible for uttering them, and then find a way of policing it.

You might as well try and plait fog.

 

[Pin-seeker]

It's funny how people turn a blind eye about kids not eating enough and food poverty yet get all outraged at a few people booing a song about a mythical god saving a multi billionaire ?‍?‍

Its only banter......

Here we go ????

 

[Tashyboy]

It is possible to watch football with the volume turned down.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It is possible to watch football with the volume turned down.

I did this evening

 

[Billysboots]

I’m off to bed. Goodnight all.

 

[Pin-seeker]

It is possible to watch football with the volume turned down.

But then you might miss anything offensive ?
Where’s the fun in that? ?

 

[Slime]

I’m off to bed. Goodnight all.

G'night Billy.

GGMU

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, rather than cutting and pasting the above, try and confront the realities. One person’s offensive chant is, whether you or any academic like it or not, another person’s banter. The only way you ever stamp out what you deem an unsavoury chant, is to get everyone else to agree it’s unsavoury, then draw up a proscribed list of chants/words, then identify those responsible for uttering them, and then find a way of policing it.

You might as well try and plait fog.

It’s ok - you made your stance clear that chants about poverty are just “part of the game” and are ok if some people think it’s just banter

As long as that’s the line drawn in the sand and anything derogatory can just be dismissed as banter.

 

[Tashyboy]

I did this evening

It is far safer watching it quietly when Missis T is watching Emmerdale ?

 

[Billysboots]

It’s ok - you made your stance clear that chants about poverty are just “part of the game” and are ok if some people think it’s just banter

As long as that’s the line drawn in the sand and anything derogatory can just be dismissed as banter.

If you want me to get an infraction you’re going the right way about it. I never said anything of the sort.

Wind your neck in.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It is far safer watching it quietly when Missis T is watching Emmerdale ?

I'd rather listen to the commentary than to that tripe.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

If you want me to get an infraction you’re going the right way about it. I never said anything of the sort.

Wind your neck in.

Thought you were going to bed???

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you want me to get an infraction you’re going the right way about it. I never said anything of the sort.

Wind your neck in.

It’s not especially nice. But it’s part of the game, one traditionally followed by the working classes, and as such it’s so ingrained that it will never be eradicated. Never.

maybe I misunderstood that comment then ?
?‍

I didn’t realise highlighting derogatory chants at a football match was such a bad thing - people seem to be more offended at that as opposed to what people are actually chanting - I’m just surprised the victim statement hasn’t been used yet

 

[Swango1980]

Man Utd were playing tonight. So, was time for Liverpoolphil to get the notepad out, get on twitter and look for as many reasons to get offended as possible. Loves playing the victim on nights like this.

Imagine we all did this when our rivals played

 

[Tashyboy]

I'd rather listen to the commentary than to that tripe.

only time she gets fresh air.

 

[Billysboots]

maybe I misunderstood that comment then ?
?‍

I didn’t realise highlighting derogatory chants at a football match was such a bad thing - people seem to be more offended at that as opposed to what people are actually chanting - I’m just surprised the victim statement hasn’t been used yet

Where did I say it was okay? It’s clearly part of the game, that’s undeniable. But you are trying to score cheap points by taking my words out of context and suggesting I support offensive chanting.

I don’t. So kindly get off your high horse and stop acting all hard done by.

Goodnight all. And that includes you, Phil ?