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Hence the whole point

Why is it just football where or indeed mainly club football or England or some clubs where this sort of stuff is “accepted”

Chants about Munich are disgusting , chants about Hillsborough are disgusting , chants about poverty are disgusting. Why should it be ignored - why shouldn’t clubs or the governing bodies do something about it

It’s beyond pathetic and should never be just accepted - it’s not rivalry , it’s not banter and it should be stopped

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...nsive-chants-hillsborough-liverpool-ian-byrne
Hence the whole point

Why is it just football where or indeed mainly club football or England or some clubs where this sort of stuff is “accepted”

Chants about Munich are disgusting , chants about Hillsborough are disgusting , chants about poverty are disgusting. Why should it be ignored - why shouldn’t clubs or the governing bodies do something about it

It’s beyond pathetic and should never be just accepted - it’s not rivalry , it’s not banter and it should be stopped

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...nsive-chants-hillsborough-liverpool-ian-byrne
have you tried emailing the governing bodies about it?
Not sure bringing it up on here EVERY week is going to achieve much buddy ?‍♂️
 

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Get a grip man. If you’re a football fan you have to accept there are songs and chants that you may find distasteful. I’m not defending it. But your attitude borders on prudish.

Need I refer to a certain chant about Munich which has been doing the rounds for more years than I’ve been alive?

If you’re that easily offended by terrace chanting turn the volume down.

These conversations come up every year, the same things are said and yet nothing changes ?
 

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You really want to sanitise terrace songs? Good luck with that. The minority of songs/chants are derogatory in some way but they are absolutely impossible to stamp out.

There really are more important things to worry about when it comes to football, Phil. Like diving, poor refereeing, ticket prices and availability, financial fair play, racism. The odd offensive chant is pretty low down the list of priorities.

I’ll add - singing about disasters is very low - not something I’ve heard at villa personally or any away game I’ve been to and I’ve done hundreds.

When we visited Hillsborough we even went to the memorial to pay our respects - it could have happened to anyone/ any team and football fans on the whole respect these tragedies greatly.

Signing “sign on, sign on” is not even in the same world of offence in my eyes.
 

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In order to rid the terraces of offensive singing, first you would have to rid the terraces of spectators!
Do you want to ban swearing from football grounds.
Good luck with that and don't forget to tell the players, too. (y)
 
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You really want to sanitise terrace songs? Good luck with that. The minority of songs/chants are derogatory in some way but they are absolutely impossible to stamp out.

There really are more important things to worry about when it comes to football, Phil. Like diving, poor refereeing, ticket prices and availability, financial fair play, racism. The odd offensive chant is pretty low down the list of priorities.

Why is it impossible ?

Stadium bans , clubs playing behind closed doors , many ways to go towards removing a certain level of chants - other sports can manage it , are we saying that football fans are that low on intelligence that they just can’t stop - it’s something that has to happen or they can’t enjoy the game.

Maybe more people need to actually condone them instead of looking to find ways to excuse them - instead of just brushing it off as “banter and rivalry” maybe it needs more fans to stand up and say it shouldn’t be sung.
 

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Always thought he was mega over hyped tbh.
But been impressed with him lately.

He’s been hugely frustrating to watch for too long. I’ve said it so many times, but whilst he’s always been capable of the extraordinary, all too often he makes a hash of the ordinary. For two or three years it’s become the norm to see him run with the ball straight down a blind alley and lose possession - his decision making, in particular when to offload to a teammate, has been a real failing.

If he continues on his current trajectory as a player, and continues to do the simple things better, he will be a far, far improved footballer for it.
 

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Why is it impossible ?

Stadium bans , clubs playing behind closed doors , many ways to go towards removing a certain level of chants - other sports can manage it , are we saying that football fans are that low on intelligence that they just can’t stop - it’s something that has to happen or they can’t enjoy the game.

Maybe more people need to actually condone them instead of looking to find ways to excuse them - instead of just brushing it off as “banter and rivalry” maybe it needs more fans to stand up and say it shouldn’t be sung.
It’s hard to work out what world you actually live in or what planet you’re from.
Maybe start a petition or something.
 

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Why is it impossible ?

Stadium bans , clubs playing behind closed doors , many ways to go towards removing a certain level of chants - other sports can manage it , are we saying that football fans are that low on intelligence that they just can’t stop - it’s something that has to happen or they can’t enjoy the game.

Maybe more people need to actually condone them instead of looking to find ways to excuse them - instead of just brushing it off as “banter and rivalry” maybe it needs more fans to stand up and say it shouldn’t be sung.

Have you ever policed a football match? I have. It would be impossible to identify who sings what, so forget stadium bans right now. Not happening.

And playing games behind closed doors? Preventing 74500 people from attending Old Trafford because of the actions of a few hundred? Are you serious? How long do you lock the turnstiles? For one game? Then at the next game a couple of hundred United fans sing a couple of lines about Liverpool, a couple of lines that have to be viewed subjectively I might add, and so the process begins again. Can you see yet how ridiculous this all sounds?

You will never, ever stamp out stadium chants unless we’re all singing from an order of service printed in the match program.
 

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Does anyone else actually pick up on these songs when sat at home watching a match?

Only if I’m listening out specifically for them so I can try and cause an online spat. And I have way more important things to do. Like try and actually enjoy a football match, which is why I watch in the first place.
 

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So basically Phil I think we all agree that it’s not nice.
But don’t spend so much time listening out for it & try not to let it spoil your viewing experience.

oh & don’t feel the need to report on here so much,we all know it happens ??
 
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In these times when foodbanks are heavily relied upon around the country, and opposing fans bring donations to support that teams local foodbank's, i'm sure you'd agree it's poor taste to be singing about feeding scousers or any other region for that matter when theres kids not geting enough food?

Even more so when one of you're own players has spent the last 2yrs campaigning and highlighting the problem in his very own City. ?‍♂️

Whilst its not offensive to me personally, i hear it and shake my head. There's at least 12 foodbanks in Salford alone, its a bit meh and should be jibbed imo.
 
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Have you ever policed a football match? I have. It would be impossible to identify who sings what, so forget stadium bans right now. Not happening.

And playing games behind closed doors? Preventing 74500 people from attending Old Trafford because of the actions of a few hundred? Are you serious? How long do you lock the turnstiles? For one game? Then at the next game a couple of hundred United fans sing a couple of lines about Liverpool, a couple of lines that have to be viewed subjectively I might add, and so the process begins again. Can you see yet how ridiculous this all sounds?

You will never, ever stamp out stadium chants unless we’re all singing from an order of service printed in the match program.
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...leicester-city-fans-foodbanks-poverty-1373744

“And any criticism of their song will be viewed as a stance of unhelpful wokeness, that term used as an insult by those who refuse to believe that “wokeness” simply reflects an intention not to be an irredeemable d___. We are at the football and at the football we banter. If you can’t stand the heat, stay at home in your echo chamber, snowflake.”


But that argument falls down quickly. Chants about racism and homophobia are against the law and thus punishable, but there are other topics that almost every football supporter would consider beyond the pale on decency grounds. You would not chant about cancer or, to be topical, you would not mock those who have died of Covid-19. That suggests that an unwritten code does exist. And poverty should be part of that code.

For banter to avoid becoming b*nter, it must have a vein of humour running through it. What is funny about 2.5 million people in the UK using a food bank in 2020 and 2021? Where is the punchline in children growing up in abject poverty and often not getting a hot meal from one day to the next? At what point do you think using the state of a nation in which almost a quarter of households are behind on their bills is something to joke about rather than lament?”


But worse than that, poverty chants are a grim example of punching down. It is particularly tasteless at football matches because football was a working-class sport that eventually transformed into middle-class leisure pursuit through the rise in ticket prices and because it is one of the few places where people gather en masse and proudly display their tribalism. Very few at the King Power on Tuesday will have experienced poverty because the cheapest season ticket renewal in the East Stand cost £420 last summer.

As for the geographical slur to Merseyside, take a look around you. According to the End Child Poverty Coalition, in 2017 Leicester was eighth in the table of local authorities with the highest rates of child poverty in the UK; the percentage of children in poverty after housing costs was 41 per cent. In January this year, 12 per cent of adults in the city were worried about having enough food. Rising energy prices, the end of the Universal Credit uplift and the impact of Covid-19 will only make things harder. Leicester City are a football club that does brilliant things for its community. If nothing else, demonstrate your love for that club by following their example.
 
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