The Footie Thread

[pokerjoke]

I never mentioned Maguire in this particular discussion. However, it it the job of the England manager to pick the team of players that gives him the best chance of success over the long term. Southgate has chosen Pickford. Others may choose Pope. There is no right answer that 100% of people would agree with. But, the logic for picking Pickford seems sound.

There may well be a mistake in Pickford going forward. But, that is pretty much true for any player. You can't guarantee Pope will make none. And, given Pickford seems to have embraced the position as England's No 1, by doing a good job, I see now logical reason why Southgate would want to mess about with that

Spot on

 

[Fade and Die]

Have you all not been through this before - Moyes does a good job for you , expectations go higher , when he doesn’t reach them you demand he leaves - it’s already happened with Moyes , made the mistake of getting rid of him once before

Its the nature of football (and football fans) if you don't make progress every year you are going backwards as everyone of your near peers are making progress.

Things can go stale at a football club, players stop playing for or believing in the manager, it happened before with Billic and Pelligrini, and both times Moyes came in and freshened it up. Now the same seems to be happening with Moyse, the previous team spirit and general togetherness that shone through the last couple of seasons seems to have disappeared, Moyse is quick to criticise his players and blame others for his shortcomings.

I.e. Commenting on Thilo Kehrer Moyes said:' I don't think he was ready to start the game and he certainly wasn't if you are talking about physically

Which begs the question why didn't you play Ogbonna then you halfwit?

Also blaming Mark Noble for retiring as the reason for the lack of leadership on the pitch! Its obviously going to be different when a senior pro hangs up his boots but you have to adapt and move on and he only played a few games last year so I really cannot accept that reason.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Its the nature of football (and football fans) if you don't make progress every year you are going backwards as everyone of your near peers are making progress.

Things can go stale at a football club, players stop playing for or believing in the manager, it happened before with Billic and Pelligrini, and both times Moyes came in and freshened it up. Now the same seems to be happening with Moyse, the previous team spirit and general togetherness that shone through the last couple of seasons seems to have disappeared, Moyse is quick to criticise his players and blame others for his shortcomings.

I.e. Commenting on Thilo Kehrer Moyes said:' I don't think he was ready to start the game and he certainly wasn't if you are talking about physically

Which begs the question why didn't you play Ogbonna then you halfwit?

Also blaming Mark Noble for retiring as the reason for the lack of leadership on the pitch! Its obviously going to be different when a senior pro hangs up his boots but you have to adapt and move on and he only played a few games last year so I really cannot accept that reason.

It’s a couple games into the season but then I think you were critical of Moyes last season so I’m guessing you have never been a fan of him ?

West Ham under Moyes will finish in those 6-10 spots each year and I’m guessing that’s about right , the club chased other managers and it nearly cost them , it was the same as Everton

 

[Orikoru]

Its the nature of football (and football fans) if you don't make progress every year you are going backwards as everyone of your near peers are making progress.

Things can go stale at a football club, players stop playing for or believing in the manager, it happened before with Billic and Pelligrini, and both times Moyes came in and freshened it up. Now the same seems to be happening with Moyse, the previous team spirit and general togetherness that shone through the last couple of seasons seems to have disappeared, Moyse is quick to criticise his players and blame others for his shortcomings.

I.e. Commenting on Thilo Kehrer Moyes said:' I don't think he was ready to start the game and he certainly wasn't if you are talking about physically

Which begs the question why didn't you play Ogbonna then you halfwit?

Also blaming Mark Noble for retiring as the reason for the lack of leadership on the pitch! Its obviously going to be different when a senior pro hangs up his boots but you have to adapt and move on and he only played a few games last year so I really cannot accept that reason.

You could always put someone else in charge then bring back Moyes next year to save you from relegation a third time.

Funnily enough I did see another instance of him calling out a player today: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ands-better/&usg=AOvVaw0laXIC3_E5DImQ3OwwlAnM

 

[Aztecs27]

You could always put someone else in charge then bring back Moyes next year to save you from relegation a third time.

Funnily enough I did see another instance of him calling out a player today: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi4m9uKwdr5AhW1SkEAHXeqB1gQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https://www.hammers.news/club-news/david-moyes-says-he-has-not-been-overly-impressed-by-west-ham-summer-signing-flynn-downes-so-far-and-demands-better/&usg=AOvVaw0laXIC3_E5DImQ3OwwlAnM

Almost never works calling out players publicly like this. I like Moyes but his man management sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[pendodave]

Its the nature of football (and football fans) if you don't make progress every year you are going backwards as everyone of your near peers are making progress.

I think this is the most significant issue, and applies to last year as much as this one.
No real attempt was made to build on the previous season. We had 1 forward for the entire campaign, and after Christmas were running on fumes. Trying to patch it up a bit now is too late.

Hopefully the new blood lifts them to the giddy heights of 17th by next April.

Luckily, anyone over 10 years old will be entirely familiar with the experience and won't let it get them down too much.

 

[RRidges]

Its the nature of football (and football fans) if you don't make progress every year you are going backwards as everyone of your near peers are making progress.

Fans that think that way are idiots!

Things can go stale at a football club, players stop playing for or believing in the manager, it happened before with Billic and Pelligrini, and both times Moyes came in and freshened it up. Now the same seems to be happening with Moyse, the previous team spirit and general togetherness that shone through the last couple of seasons seems to have disappeared, Moyse is quick to criticise his players and blame others for his shortcomings.

Fans, some of whom can't even spell a managers name correctly, generally haven't got a clue about what goes on at 'their' club and can't see further than from the last game to the next one! I'm pretty certain Noble's off (match) field persona/influence was more important than any on-field one. After all, he only rarely, if ever, played a full game in his last season.
The draw hasn't been kind to Hammers but they'll hopefully get some sort of result Sunday. As LPP posted, realistic expectation is likely to be 6th/7th at best. To me, they need another 'quality' 'Antonio level' striker. He seems the major threat/target, but as it is, he's too easily countered while the others aren't a big enough threat to change that.

 

[Fade and Die]

You could always put someone else in charge then bring back Moyes next year to save you from relegation a third time.

Funnily enough I did see another instance of him calling out a player today: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi4m9uKwdr5AhW1SkEAHXeqB1gQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https://www.hammers.news/club-news/david-moyes-says-he-has-not-been-overly-impressed-by-west-ham-summer-signing-flynn-downes-so-far-and-demands-better/&usg=AOvVaw0laXIC3_E5DImQ3OwwlAnM

It started at the end of last season when the exhausted players started to fade....

David Moyes slams players for lack of ‘desire’ as West Ham miss out on Europa League | Evening Standard

Believe this was when things started going wrong for him. Its also the same time that Stuart Pearce left the club. I don't know if the 2 things are connected.

 

[PJ87]

Its the nature of football (and football fans) if you don't make progress every year you are going backwards as everyone of your near peers are making progress.

Things can go stale at a football club, players stop playing for or believing in the manager, it happened before with Billic and Pelligrini, and both times Moyes came in and freshened it up. Now the same seems to be happening with Moyse, the previous team spirit and general togetherness that shone through the last couple of seasons seems to have disappeared, Moyse is quick to criticise his players and blame others for his shortcomings.

I.e. Commenting on Thilo Kehrer Moyes said:' I don't think he was ready to start the game and he certainly wasn't if you are talking about physically

Which begs the question why didn't you play Ogbonna then you halfwit?

Also blaming Mark Noble for retiring as the reason for the lack of leadership on the pitch! Its obviously going to be different when a senior pro hangs up his boots but you have to adapt and move on and he only played a few games last year so I really cannot accept that reason.

Because ogbonna Is returning from a serious long term injury and played midweek, isn't ready to start yet

The new guy wasn't ideal to start yet , Moyes likes to bring players in slowly but lack of options means he just came straight in.

To say the players aren't playing for Moyes is very knee jerk

It's 3 games. City , forest (their return to top flight after many years) and Brighton

City are a machine
Forest was a fairy tail, one which another day we would have won 4-1 without disallowed goal, missing a pen and smashing the wood work .. fine margins
Brighton are a very good side and are our body team

I only had us down for 3 points until this period ...

Yesterday was bad but let's see what next Sunday brings.

 

[Fade and Die]

Because ogbonna Is returning from a serious long term injury and played midweek, isn't ready to start yet

The new guy wasn't ideal to start yet , Moyes likes to bring players in slowly but lack of options means he just came straight in.

To say the players aren't playing for Moyes is very knee jerk

It's 3 games. City , forest (their return to top flight after many years) and Brighton

City are a machine
Forest was a fairy tail, one which another day we would have won 4-1 without disallowed goal, missing a pen and smashing the wood work .. fine margins
Brighton are a very good side and are our body team

I only had us down for 3 points until this period ...

Yesterday was bad but let's see what next Sunday brings.

Its not just the 3 games though is it. Since Christmas we have only won 7 games in the league.

We play the same old players in the same old positions. Man City said they knew just how we would play and countered it easily.

If you saw the game on Sunday watch what Potter did in the 60th minute when silly bollocks made our subs. It was like he knew exactly what Moyes was doing, made a swift change himself, switched two players around and bang! 2-0 game over!
Stupid boy was still scratching his arse when we were putting the ball down for the restart. Too late Dave he's rumped you again.

 

[clubchamp98]

It’s just a foul ? If it’s designed to deliberately injure someone then it’s a red card , if denies a goalscoring opportunity then it’s a red card , other than that then it’s a yellow

A push off the ball could injure someone badly - do you want that as a red as well.

There you go again.
I am talking about a professional foul ,you know that.
It’s just my opinion, you can have a different one that’s fine.

 

[clubchamp98]

Can someone point out the howler Pickford has had for England? 45 caps I believe, still waiting for the game where he has let them down.

I would also say, look at how he has played for Everton since January or so. At his best and he has cut out the brain fades which happened when teams, or fans, got under his skin. Pope is excellent, may well be better, but keepers rarely get changed unless the incumbent makes mistakes.

There are bigger problems for England than the goalkeeper position, where there is no actual problem.

It’s strange that Pope is being lorded after a game where he conceded three goals!
Pickford has played well for England and GS won’t want to change that imo.

 

[RRidges]

That can happen from any tackle or foul - do you want to just outlaw tackling ? Maybe heading as well ? In fact make it non contact

That wasn't a tackle! It was a deliberate take-down imo. As close to Serious Foul Play/Violent Conduct as we are likely to see this year where a Red Card is not issued imo! I was not surprised that a Red Card was initially shown!

 

[RRidges]

It’s strange that Pope is being lorded after a game where he conceded three goals!
Pickford has played well for England and GS won’t want to change that imo.

Was Pope the direct cause of any of those goals though?

 

[RichA]

That wasn't a tackle! It was a deliberate take-down imo. As close to Serious Foul Play/Violent Conduct as we are likely to see this year where a Red Card is not issued imo! I was not surprised that a Red Card was initially shown!

Yep. I think it was way worse than the Spurs v Chelsea hair pull that lots of people were angry about this time last week.

 

[clubchamp98]

Was Pope the direct cause of any of those goals though?

Yes he never saved them
How many did Pickford let in though.
It’s chalk and cheese and the only one who decides is GS.

 

[clubchamp98]

That wasn't a tackle! It was a deliberate take-down imo. As close to Serious Foul Play/Violent Conduct as we are likely to see this year where a Red Card is not issued imo! I was not surprised that a Red Card was initially shown!

Yes it was and he actually admitted it on MOTD.

 

[RRidges]

Yep. I think it was way worse than the Spurs v Chelsea hair pull that lots of people were angry about this time last week.

Agreed - at least in the specific possible consequences.
Though the fact that a goal was scored subsequently - and the later change of mind of VAR Mike Dean - elevated that particular ruling.
FWIW. I think hair-pulling should be specifically added to the list of fouls/cards. The massive increase in Ladies football participation will provide more examples imo. I'm not certain whether there's any justification, so Sending Off offence would be where I'd place it.

 

[Jimaroid]

Really looking forward to tonight’s bottom table bunfight and it being incident free and perfectly refereed. ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That wasn't a tackle! It was a deliberate take-down imo. As close to Serious Foul Play/Violent Conduct as we are likely to see this year where a Red Card is not issued imo! I was not surprised that a Red Card was initially shown!

It’s nowhere near violent conduct ?‍ Or serious foul play

It’s the sort of tackle that Fernandino perfected each match