The Cricket Thread

[Billysboots]

Unfortunately he's not alone in this England team.
Can't really blame a bowling all rounder for the team's batting failure.

Totally agree, and I wasn’t blaming him, just responding to a comment.

I have been out driving today so haven’t seen any cricket, but have been following it online. The whole outcome had a depressing inevitability about it as soon as Root deployed what sounded like very questionable tactics with India eight down. I like Root - lovely fella, superb batsmen, but I do have considerable doubts regarding his captaincy - always have had. Alas, there is simply no alternative candidate as far as I can see.

Can anyone who watched confirm what I read? That with nine and ten at the crease we had SIX men on the boundary? And that Wood was bowling 90mph+ without a slip? What was the thinking?

Our batting, Root aside, is ridiculously brittle. We cannot be chasing 250+ in a fourth innings at the moment, but given where we were at about 11.30am today there’s absolutely no way we should have conceded that sort of lead.

Poor, poor, poor.

 

[Mudball]

Kohli is worse than Smith and Warner combined......

Maybe just maybe English cricket needs a character with the passion like Kohli.. he is marmite but he has the skills and has taken Indian cricket to the next level. It’s not just his own game but some of the thinking and desire to win is incredible. England would never think of declaring, but for Kohli to take the decision and then driving for a win.

Ben Stokes is the only one who comes even close to him in passion. And we know how we felt in that Ashes match and the WC match.

Kohli’s India are the new Aussies…

 

[fundy]

Maybe just maybe English cricket needs a character with the passion like Kohli.. he is marmite but he has the skills and has taken Indian cricket to the next level.

Ben Stokes is the only one who comes even close to him in passion. And we know how we felt in that Ashes match and the WC match.

Kohli’s India are the new Aussies…

lololololololololololololol

yeah we need a f***wit as a captain who acts more and more like a petulant child who needs to get his own way more the less runs hes scoring personally! lets not talk about the utter dolly he dropped Buttler on 2 that couldve cost India the game either eh, or maybe how about his incompetent use of the DRS system. if thats what were missing then cricket is totally and utterly dead

for the record were missing 4 batsmen with test match technique and a top class spinner (not to mention broad, woakes, foakes, stone and stokes), oh and a competent ECB (i know i know thats just a step way too far)

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Totally agree, and I wasn’t blaming him, just responding to a comment.

I have been out driving today so haven’t seen any cricket, but have been following it online. The whole outcome had a depressing inevitability about it as soon as Root deployed what sounded like very questionable tactics with India eight down. I like Root - lovely fella, superb batsmen, but I do have considerable doubts regarding his captaincy - always have had. Alas, there is simply no alternative candidate as far as I can see.

Can anyone who watched confirm what I read? That with nine and ten at the crease we had SIX men on the boundary? And that Wood was bowling 90mph+ without a slip? What was the thinking?

Our batting, Root aside, is ridiculously brittle. We cannot be chasing 250+ in a fourth innings at the moment, but given where we were at about 11.30am today there’s absolutely no way we should have conceded that sort of lead.

Poor, poor, poor.

And therein lies the problem.

No alternative to offer as captain, just more of the same if the batsmen are replaced and some pretty brainless bowlers.

Of the XI named for this Test only five or six should really be considered for the next game (Root, Anderson, Robinson, Buttler, Ali and maybe Bairstow).

But who on earth replaces the others. So little red ball cricket on which to judge.

 

[Mudball]

lololololololololololololol

yeah we need a f***wit as a captain who acts more and more like a petulant child who needs to get his own way more the less runs hes scoring personally! lets not talk about the utter dolly he dropped Buttler on 2 that couldve cost India the game either eh, or maybe how about his incompetent use of the DRS system. if thats what were missing then cricket is totally and utterly dead

for the record were missing 4 batsmen with test match technique and a top class spinner (not to mention broad, woakes, foakes, stone and stokes), oh and a competent ECB (i know i know thats just a step way too far)

Remind me who won today ..

 

[fundy]

Remind me who won today ..

because of Kohli or despite Kohli? he had a very very ordinary game and got bailed out by some around him, but as has been the case for a few years, all the positive performances are because of him and the negative ones are out of his control. swap Root for Kohli and India win by 400 runs

ps 1 game isnt really a decent sample

 

[fundy]

genuine question @Mudball would you want your son learning his antics from how Kohli behaves on a cricket field?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And therein lies the problem.

No alternative to offer as captain, just more of the same if the batsmen are replaced and some pretty brainless bowlers.

Of the XI named for this Test only five or six should really be considered for the next game (Root, Anderson, Robinson, Buttler, Ali and maybe Bairstow).

But who on earth replaces the others. So little red ball cricket on which to judge.

Think Hameed deserves a second crack

Unfortunately anyone that you would look to bring in is playing white ball cricket at the moment

But players like

Lammonby and Clarke

I would even give Ballance a go again

Then maybe even Vince but he is playing white ball

Northeast maybe
Bracey
Shame Abell is injured

Would definitely like to see Overton get a run instead of Curran

 

[Billysboots]

Unfortunately anyone that you would look to bring in is playing white ball cricket at the moment

Such is the madness of the scheduling. The only players playing red ball cricket until September are those playing in this Test series. Talk about setting ourselves up to fail.

 

[fundy]

Currently Root as a batsman, Robinson and Anderson are worth their places on merit, plus Wood in some conditions. Outside of that of those currently available you can argue pretty much everyone else as subjective. Archer, Stokes, Stone, Woakes, Broad injured, Buttler, Bairstow, Malan, Ali talented but focussed on white ball, Sibley, Burns, Hameed, Crawley focussed on red ball but probably not good enough, Pope returning from injury but not fulfilled his promise, Lawrence discarded and so it goes on. As for those who havent played tests recently theyve played so little cricket to be able to make a case

Not sure being a selector currently would be much fun.......

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I find it a little strange that the one player who is good enough to Captain and who has the tactical nous and ruthlessness to take a team apart is only playing white ball cricket, doing quite well. Perhaps it's Roots way of getting a little revenge for not eing picked all the time

 

[fundy]

I find it a little strange that the one player who is good enough to Captain and who has the tactical nous and ruthlessness to take a team apart is only playing white ball cricket, doing quite well. Perhaps it's Roots way of getting a little revenge for not eing picked all the time

you mean the white ball captain who hasnt score a run since pre covid?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I find it a little strange that the one player who is good enough to Captain and who has the tactical nous and ruthlessness to take a team apart is only playing white ball cricket, doing quite well. Perhaps it's Roots way of getting a little revenge for not eing picked all the time

Morgan is a superb white ball player and captain - not red ball though

Root isn’t the best captain but the cupboard is bare

I’m just glad they ignore the Somerset lads in one way but disappointed their talents don’t get recognised

 

[Mudball]

genuine question @Mudball would you want your son learning his antics from how Kohli behaves on a cricket field?

If I could bottle the passion of Kohli, the grit of Cook, the behaviour of Root & Williamson….

My son unfortunately is stuck in a very defensive way of playing cricket. Does not make him very popular. In one of his 20 overs school match, he opened and carried the bat but scored only about 20 runs. Like Cook, he will grind it out and then come home and play his violin to calm down. I think he could do with an injection of Kohli/Morgan elixir.

Just saying

 

[SteveJay]

Would love it if Jimmy held them off

Kohli as unbearable as the likes of Smith

Kohl is an absolute knob......the most objectionable player in current test cricket.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

you mean the white ball captain who hasnt score a run since pre covid?

And how many of the current England team are much better score wise?

We pick a w/keeper who isn't the best but can bat....although his red ball batting doesn't appear to be worthwhile.

We need to start picking players for their exact skillset, not trying to showhorn them in because they're liked.

 

[fundy]

If I could bottle the passion of Kohli, the grit of Cook, the behaviour of Root & Williamson….

My son unfortunately is stuck in a very defensive way of playing cricket. Does not make him very popular. In one of his 20 overs school match, he opened and carried the bat but scored only about 20 runs. Like Cook, he will grind it out and then come home and play his violin to calm down. I think he could do with an injection of Kohli/Morgan elixir.

Just saying

so youd rather he was jumping up and down screaming and shouting, swearing at oppo players, confronting umpires when decisions dont go his way etc? he may be a bit meek but dont wish him past the centre line

 

[Mudball]

because of Kohli or despite Kohli? he had a very very ordinary game and got bailed out by some around him, but as has been the case for a few years, all the positive performances are because of him and the negative ones are out of his control. swap Root for Kohli and India win by 400 runs

ps 1 game isnt really a decent sample

I think we are mixing Kohli the player and Kohli the captain. Personally I think he should step down from Test captaincy and hand it over to someone like Rahane (he was brilliant guiding a B-team in Australia) or Rohit? .. he can be white ball captain.

Gotta admire his win-first approach. Sure he has been bailed out by his team. Today Shami & Bhoom took their chances but he declared and went for the win. Root and Eng just lost their mind trying to eek a revenge on Bhoom. Wtf was happening in that first hour??

 

[fundy]

And how many of the current England team are much better score wise?

We pick a w/keeper who isn't the best but can bat....although his red ball batting doesn't appear to be worthwhile.

We need to start picking players for their exact skillset, not trying to showhorn them in because they're liked.

so you want to pick a white ball captain who doesnt play red ball cricket at all to captain in the red ball format and thats not shoe horning someone in?

what exact skillset do you think Morgan would bring to test match cricket?

 

[Mudball]

so youd rather he was jumping up and down screaming and shouting, swearing at oppo players, confronting umpires when decisions dont go his way etc? he may be a bit meek but dont wish him past the centre line

Having seen him on Sat.. his energy is infectious.. he has been like that all day for 5 days.. that is some achievement.

Have you seen his interview with DK on sky.. available on YouTube