The all things EV chat thread

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Our car salary sacrifice scheme was updated and its EV cars only

The take up on it was bare minimum so they are looking to add hybrids onto the scheme

That’s the car I’m looking at next - a hybrid ( non plug in )

Our SS scheme has everything from Decia to Lotus. But the mileage I do make the leasing cost’s unpalatable. BIK is also a killer on anything with an ICE. Even on the company car scheme, year 4 BiK can go up to something crazy like 17% on the hybrids.

I’ve been waiting for the RR Sport hybrid to hit the company car list, but JLR products have all been pulled and won’t be going back on anytime soon.

Hence I’m getting the EV and the wife is looking at a Velar or XC60.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Our SS scheme has everything from Decia to Lotus. But the mileage I do make the leasing cost’s unpalatable. BIK is also a killer on anything with an ICE. Even on the company car scheme, year 4 BiK can go up to something crazy like 17% on the hybrids.

I’ve been waiting for the RR Sport hybrid to hit the company car list, but JLR products have all been pulled and won’t be going back on anytime soon.

Hence I’m getting the EV and the wife is looking at a Velar or XC60.

I have never looked at lease or SS schemes etc

Was interested in the SS until it was EV only but I don’t have off road parking and the company only has very expensive charging points so a Hybrid will be good - like the Kuga or XC40

 

[Neilds]

EVs suit some people, they don't suit others for a variety of reasons - range anxiety (perfectly valid), nowhere to charge at home, too expensive (no scheme through work), looks, driving experience, etc.

Can we all agree on that and grow up? Will prevent the same old tired stuff coming up again and again.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

EVs suit some people, they don't suit others for a variety of reasons - range anxiety (perfectly valid), nowhere to charge at home, too expensive (no scheme through work), looks, driving experience, etc.

Can we all agree on that and grow up? Will prevent the same old tired stuff coming up again and again.

Can we also add that some don't actually think EV in their current form is actually the answer, and just a stop-gap until something more long term comes along.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

EVs suit some people, they don't suit others for a variety of reasons - range anxiety (perfectly valid), nowhere to charge at home, too expensive (no scheme through work), looks, driving experience, etc.

Can we all agree on that and grow up? Will prevent the same old tired stuff coming up again and again.

You need to reframe that against the people who constantly feel the need to tell everyone how terrible EVs are and why they will never have one.

If @Burnsey hadn’t visited a discussion he had no interest in (probably can’t afford an EV) spouting nonsense and insulting people. There would never have been the resulting argument.

 

[Neilds]

You need to reframe that against the people who constantly feel the need to tell everyone how terrible EVs are and why they will never have one.

If @Burnsey hadn’t visited a discussion he had no interest in (probably can’t afford an EV) spouting nonsense and insulting people. There would never have been the resulting argument.

Pot and kettle in your last insulting paragraph - well done!

Proving you are just as bad as some of the others - on both sides!

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Can we also add that some don't actually think EV in their current form is actually the answer, and just a stop-gap until something more long term comes along.

What do you think the answer is and would you buy it? Because if it’s hydrogen, they will be as if not more expensive than EVs. They will unlikely be ICE too. More than likely they will be similar tech to EVs with the fuel cells in place of batteries.

 

[Imurg]

I thought it was half-term week......?
Playground should be empty

 

[GreiginFife]

Unbelievable Jeff!

 

[Billysboots]

Strewth. Have some of you been eating blue Smarties today? I can only put the nonsense I’ve just had to delete, edit and otherwise tidy up down to an excessive consumption of E numbers.

The thread will remain locked whilst @Burnsey and @WorldHandicapSystem consider their contributions to it. If, when it is re-opened, there are more insults traded and continued petty sniping expect some warnings to follow.

 

[Burnsey]

Apologies @Billysboots

I've deleted some of my own posts and now have a member on ignore and have unfollowed the thread, so will let the EV brigade get back into full flow without interruption from me, which is what they prefer.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Can we also add that some don't actually think EV in their current form is actually the answer, and just a stop-gap until something more long term comes along.

I think that’s the key thing

There will need to be something long term

Is it electric? Which is far from clean

Lots of talk about hydrogen but issues there

If only it was like Back to the Future and cars run on rubbish

But what is the long term solution

 

[doublebogey7]

I think that’s the key thing

There will need to be something long term

Is it electric? Which is far from clean

Lots of talk about hydrogen but issues there

If only it was like Back to the Future and cars run on rubbish

But what is the long term solution

Until something else comes along, then electric has to be the answer for the forseeable. Too many people, as is often the case today, letting the perfect get in the way of better, so we stick with the familiar but wholly inadequate.

 

[TheDiablo]

Well we made it home by 2030

Left Disney at 14:00 (obviously hour ahead so 13:00)

Could have driven all way to leshuttle.. turns out they have chargers on the flex plus lounge the french side (being installed UK side) but kids wanted a break. Gave them 1 hour 15 mins but car was ready in 30 mins from 30-80% used 56% driving home .. so the extra 20% we put in just chilling wasn't required but at France prices who cares .. middle kid threw up in the lounge so I cleaned that up whilst Mrs changed her so the lounge was worth it lol

540 mile total drive

Total cost £19.28 public charging and £2.60 to fill it back up tonight

4 p per mile

I'll take that

Surely you can see the irony that you’re banging on about how cheap it was, but because of uncertainty you had to stay an extra night and go flexi

We went the week before, in the park by 3, last day left at 1. Further travel than you. No need for Flexi. £100 fuel. Overall miles cheaper and less waiting around than you.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Until something else comes along, then electric has to be the answer for the forseeable. Too many people, as is often the case today, letting the perfect get in the way of better, so we stick with the familiar but wholly inadequate.

It's all very much excuses

First it's "not enough range" plenty of EVs with huge range now

"Batteries need replacing every 5 years costing 15k" proven wrong .

"batteries deteriorate within 5 years" battery studies have proven this to be completely false

"Don't charge quick enough" charge speeds upped

"Not enough chargers" 1000s of chargers installed per week

"Deprecate too quickly" oh like those normal cars that go up in value

Now it's "something better will come along".. be lucky if hydrogen launches on mass before the ban of new sales of ice comes in.

More and more people are making the switch to EVs , be it for money saving, environmental or just prefer them after testing. Just the same old tired echo chamber comments appear time and time again however their getting duller as more people take the plunge.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Surely you can see the irony that you’re banging on about how cheap it was, but because of uncertainty you had to stay an extra night and go flexi

We went the week before, in the park by 3, last day left at 1. Further travel than you. No need for Flexi. £100 fuel. Overall miles cheaper and less waiting around than you.

There is no irony because the flexi was nothing to do with the car

It was to do with my children who I know wouldn't have made it to Disneyland in one hit but coming back they were tired enough to sleep most of the way

All my "waiting" was natural stops for food breaks for the kids to run off steam.

The Flexi allowed us to come back a day early and cancel the hotel because the kids could cope with the drive back after being so tired out.

Plus it's more luxurious, just nice to turn up, use the lounge and get on whatever train. Relaxing

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It's all very much excuses

First it's "not enough range" plenty of EVs with huge range now

"Batteries need replacing every 5 years costing 15k" proven wrong .

"batteries deteriorate within 5 years" battery studies have proven this to be completely false

"Don't charge quick enough" charge speeds upped

"Not enough chargers" 1000s of chargers installed per week

"Deprecate too quickly" oh like those normal cars that go up in value

Now it's "something better will come along".. be lucky if hydrogen launches on mass before the ban of new sales of ice comes in.

More and more people are making the switch to EVs , be it for money saving, environmental or just prefer them after testing. Just the same old tired echo chamber comments appear time and time again however their getting duller as more people take the plunge.

Can you never see that EV’s are not for everyone

Just because something works for you doesn’t mean it works for everyone

There will be people where it’s not practical in any way to own an EV car and for multiple valid reasons - you can’t keep just dismissing everything based on your singular situation

Please accept that an EV car is not the right car for everyone

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Until something else comes along, then electric has to be the answer for the forseeable. Too many people, as is often the case today, letting the perfect get in the way of better, so we stick with the familiar but wholly inadequate.

The wife is also looking at what cars she can get through work - she doesn’t do a lot of millage and an EV is prob suited for her if the scheme works for her - issue is lack of off road parking for us , there is nowhere for us to charge

 

[doublebogey7]

The wife is also looking at what cars she can get through work - she doesn’t do a lot of millage and an EV is prob suited for her if the scheme works for her - issue is lack of off road parking for us , there is nowhere for us to charge

I agree and government both national and local need to work on the solutions (again not perfect though) that are available but are not being implemented in sufficient numbers. It is highly unlikely though that some non battery EV solution is going to come along before the impending climate crisis.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I agree and government both national and local need to work on the solutions (again not perfect though) that are available but are not being implemented in sufficient numbers. It is highly unlikely though that some non battery EV solution is going to come along before the impending climate crisis.

I don’t know how they are going to get around the millions that live in apartments or those that don’t have off road parking in any sort of cost affect basis

But the likes of hydrogen are years away

Not sure there is a simple solution

Someone somewhere will need to pay a lot of money

Not sure if it’s next year the EV tax comes in ?