The all things EV chat thread

[Fade and Die]

Their electric is cheap because their government told their energy companies to take the hit of increase costs and not pass onto the customer

We don't get that luxury

As usual It’s a little more complicated than your sweeping generalisations…

AI Overview


A comparison of UK and French electricity prices reveals that France generally has lower electricity prices than the UK. In December 2022, DriveElectric reported that France's electricity cost was £0.17 per kWh, while the UK's was around £0.39 per kWh. This difference is due to France's extensive nuclear power generation, which provides a stable and relatively low-cost electricity supply, according to reports.

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It’s down to a stupid short sighted Energy policy going back 30 years. (Privatisation and lack of investment being the biggest problems) Look at this graph (I won’t post the full article as it’s political)



Especially the Non domestic side, it’s not just “industry” it’s every commercial premises in the country. The high cost of energy is really holding this country back.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

chargers are regularly 150kwh plus speeds , cars are getting faster and faster at recharge speeds.

Going on basic fag packet maths to cover the broader basis.

75kwh battery pack you arrive with 20% at a charger that's 150kwh speed. Top up to 70% that's 37.5kwh required (50% added from your 20%, gone for 20% as that's the level most EVs tell you to recharge, much like a fuel light coming on) so that's 37.5kwh at 150kwh speed is 2.5kwh a minute. Which would take 15 mins to add that. (37.5kwh at 3.5 miles average per kWh is 131 miles)

Whilst it's not precisely the same "5mins" you can recharge very quickly to get on the move again. Most of the time by time you have plugged in, been for a wee and got back to the car you have more than enough charge.

Again this is basic maths, there are much faster (and slower) recharge speeds out there. My car is limited to 80kwh charge speed. However even then we managed to add 50% that was needed to the battery in 30 mins. We however stopped naturally for 70 mins so got even more charge.

With more charging locations being installed every single day and faster speeds from recharge from the manufacturers coming all the time you can realistically stop for 10 mins to recharge and then crack on with another comfortable 100 miles before even considering stopping again. But that's the extreme cases which people don't overly do.

As stated I did 540 miles to Paris and back with only 2 stops to charge. One each way. At no point were we worried about running out.

Its really much more accessible than people think.

(Just a quick real world example, h4h this year is 90 miles from home and 75 miles from work and work is 25 miles from home, I'm going to h4h then to work a night shift then home in the morning. I won't even be thinking about charging during those 190 miles)

So it’s not 5 mins to fill up and be on your way then

It’s not as simple as you keep suggesting for everyone

 

[AliMc]

Was it only doing 28mpg because one of the 6 cylinders wasn't working?

No it was a 5 cylinder D5 engine

 

[Deleted member 21784]

As usual It’s a little more complicated than your sweeping generalisations…

AI Overview


A comparison of UK and French electricity prices reveals that France generally has lower electricity prices than the UK. In December 2022, DriveElectric reported that France's electricity cost was £0.17 per kWh, while the UK's was around £0.39 per kWh. This difference is due to France's extensive nuclear power generation, which provides a stable and relatively low-cost electricity supply, according to reports.

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It’s down to a stupid short sighted Energy policy going back 30 years. (Privatisation and lack of investment being the biggest problems) Look at this graph (I won’t post the full article as it’s political)

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Especially the Non domestic side, it’s not just “industry” it’s every commercial premises in the country. The high cost of energy is really holding this country back.

France announces €45bn effort to shield country from energy cost increases

Finance minister says energy price rises to be capped at 15% as he outlines key elements of budget bill

www.theguardian.com

Not a sweeping statement, I know your looking for a "gotya" moment but it's what happened in France when the energy crisis hit they capped increases

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So it’s not 5 mins to fill up and be on your way then

It’s not as simple as you keep suggesting for everyone

As explained it's very simple and easy to use.

New cars are having 300 plus mile ranges. Adding to that very quickly has been improved on dramatically.

It's not as difficult as your suggesting for everyone at the same time.

But we shall agree to disagree

 

[PNWokingham]

As usual It’s a little more complicated than your sweeping generalisations…

AI Overview


A comparison of UK and French electricity prices reveals that France generally has lower electricity prices than the UK. In December 2022, DriveElectric reported that France's electricity cost was £0.17 per kWh, while the UK's was around £0.39 per kWh. This difference is due to France's extensive nuclear power generation, which provides a stable and relatively low-cost electricity supply, according to reports.

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It’s down to a stupid short sighted Energy policy going back 30 years. (Privatisation and lack of investment being the biggest problems) Look at this graph (I won’t post the full article as it’s political)

View attachment 58290

Especially the Non domestic side, it’s not just “industry” it’s every commercial premises in the country. The high cost of energy is really holding this country back.

totally agree - and they have a majority state owned almost monopoly supplier unlike the UK that sold off and deregulated as per EU rules. And we have the utterly moronic, industry-destroying Red Milliband on a green agenda that is wrecking our industrial base and leaving us way more dependant on foreign energy than we should be. A toal lose-lose scenario for all of us

 

[larmen]

Their electric is cheap because their government told their energy companies to take the hit of increase costs and not pass onto the customer

We don't get that luxury

I still think their uptake is low. Maybe they change that like we did, once the mob goes electric the benefits of it will fall away.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I still think their uptake is low. Maybe they change that like we did, once the mob goes electric the benefits of it will fall away.

Saw quite a few over there, plenty of infrastructure built aswell. Plenty of bays instead of token amounts etc. going the right way about things getting the network strong before increasing uptake

Still impressed my RFID card worked seamlessly over there. The cost of the card has been taken out of my octopus balance already

Very efficient

 

[GreiginFife]

Currently got an iX2 on a full day test drive. Ex Demonstrator that’s for sale (so already depreciated) and got to say I’m way more impressed with it than I thought I would be. Comfortable and quick, ok it doesn’t have a massive range at 230 miles but I do about 250 a week!

Well specced up and could save me over £200 a month compared to the 8 series.

The M235 is still in the picture but it’s getting edged out.

 

[BrianM]

Currently got an iX2 on a full day test drive. Ex Demonstrator that’s for sale (so already depreciated) and got to say I’m way more impressed with it than I thought I would be. Comfortable and quick, ok it doesn’t have a massive range at 230 miles but I do about 250 a week!

Well specced up and could save me over £200 a month compared to the 8 series.

The M235 is still in the picture but it’s getting edged out.

Do you get your clubs and trolley ok in the 8 series?

 

[GreiginFife]

Do you get your clubs and trolley ok in the 8 series?

Yeah, the boot is actually quite big. It’s not wide but it’s really long. Clubs go in diagonally leaving a perfect triangular space for the trolley. Battery and shoes sit on the wheel arch infills.

 

[Beezerk]

I’m proud to say I still haven’t charged my plug in hybrid since I got it back in January, I do feel dirty though

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I’m proud to say I still haven’t charged my plug in hybrid since I got it back in January, I do feel dirty though

lazy git

 

[BrianM]

Yeah, the boot is actually quite big. It’s not wide but it’s really long. Clubs go in diagonally leaving a perfect triangular space for the trolley. Battery and shoes sit on the wheel arch infills.

Was going to get one a few years back, but went for a Touerag!!
Fancy getting one again though in Barcelona Blue

 

[GreiginFife]

Was going to get one a few years back, but went for a Touerag!!
Fancy getting one again though in Barcelona Blue

You’d need to get an old pre facelift one in that case. Not a stock colour anymore.

 

[Hobbit]

As explained it's very simple and easy to use.

New cars are having 300 plus mile ranges. Adding to that very quickly has been improved on dramatically.

It's not as difficult as your suggesting for everyone at the same time.

But we shall agree to disagree

As the debate has gone on my thought process has changed from range in miles to how long can I drive. I’m comfortable driving 2 hours without a break, 3 at a push if it’s on motorways. That equates to around 120 to 180 miles.

How many journeys are beyond those sort of numbers? Personally, I think even the longest of journeys is now covered quite comfortably.

Range is no longer a valid argument for 99% of journeys.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

As the debate has gone on my thought process has changed from range in miles to how long can I drive. I’m comfortable driving 2 hours without a break, 3 at a push if it’s on motorways. That equates to around 120 to 180 miles.

How many journeys are beyond those sort of numbers? Personally, I think even the longest of journeys is now covered quite comfortably.

Range is no longer a valid argument for 99% of journeys.

Certainly as I've got older I've found driving longer distances more taxing on concentration levels. I try to stick to 2 hours. That seems to be golden for the kids aswell to have a wee

France was

1 hour 20 mins to shuttle. Get out at lounge, wee break on train. 40 mins sitting on train in car. That's fine

Then drove 50 mins and was at the hotel

Disney was 2.5 hours the next day

Coming back was 2 hours 15 as traffic was fine. Stopped for hour for the kids. Then tunnel (50 mins) wee break quickly (sick break for one) back on train and straight home

All felt very natural and unforced

We could have driven straight to the tunnel on 1 charge. Charged at the lounge and got on the train but it suited me and the kids to have that comfort break for an hour (so that would be 1 stop the entire way home being the forced stop for the tunnel, so just like a normal car)

Car and myself were ready in 30 mins , kids weren't even done in the soft play so let them enjoy

But yeah I love a wee and tea break . If it's far grab a charge then aswell

Motorway services are a godsend

 

[Deleted member 21784]

fasinating video for thoses interested (if your not please scroll past) on how the future of EV charging is changing come 2027 with bi direactional charging and its place in storing clean energy to reduce use of fossil fuels

guy explains it very well

Explains why EVs are not just for us to get around in

 

[cliveb]

fasinating video for thoses interested (if your not please scroll past) on how the future of EV charging is changing come 2027 with bi direactional charging and its place in storing clean energy to reduce use of fossil fuels

guy explains it very well

Explains why EVs are not just for us to get around in

Yes, all very well, but why does it take him 23 mins to explain a simple idea that could be covered in 5?
V2G isn't exactly a new concept - been discussed for a few years now.
I stuck it out for a while in case he had something genuinely new to reveal, but gave up after about 10 mins.
(If there was a big revelation later on, please could someone give me a time to jump to?)

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yes, all very well, but why does it take him 23 mins to explain a simple idea that could be covered in 5?
V2G isn't exactly a new concept - been discussed for a few years now.
I stuck it out for a while in case he had something genuinely new to reveal, but gave up after about 10 mins.
(If there was a big revelation later on, please could someone give me a time to jump to?)

To be fair I believe they get paid more for longer videos , which is why he woffles on

Basically he says you set a reserve on the car for say 50% and the grid will fill you up and take away during the peak to balance the grid. Rather than turning off wind farms and panels etc. this will reduce the use of gas turbines to power the grid

You can also set on your app for certain days to not drain the battery because you need 100% that day

AI in action he was explaining

I agree he is a bit long winded but it's how he finds his Channel so fair enough

I do like how simple those chargers are to use (he demonstrates) and how they can install one in 40 mins so can do a street very quickly

Also when lamposts are changed to led (which they are) it reduces the draw off them so more power available

All very interesting stuff

I'm sure I missed bits but that's what stuck when I watched it