The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

I certainly won't be stewing. I've done some decorating, rather watch the paint dry

I'm really glad you took the time to dig out Fragger for posting something only to then come back with you don't care anyways

Really adding some quality to the thread

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Vauxhall owner Stellantis to close Luton plant putting 1,100 jobs at risk

Motor giant Stellantis says it is closing the van making plant in the context of the UK's rules on electric vehicle sales.

www.bbc.co.uk

Rules imposed to speed up the transition to electric vehicles (EV) in the UK partly drove the decision, the firm said.

 

[Slime]

This ridiculous drive for net zero is starting to cost.

 

[Fade and Die]

From the article…

“Current rules state EVs must make up 22% of a carmaker's car sales, and 10% of van sales in 2024.
For every sale that pushes it outside the mandate, firms must pay a £15,000 fine.”

Utter madness, the product simply isn’t good enough yet so there isn’t the demand.

 

[hambugerpete]

This ridiculous drive for net zero is starting to cost.

No where near the cost if we don't.

 

[hambugerpete]

From the article…

“Current rules state EVs must make up 22% of a carmaker's car sales, and 10% of van sales in 2024.
For every sale that pushes it outside the mandate, firms must pay a £15,000 fine.”

Utter madness, the product simply isn’t good enough yet so there isn’t the demand.

So much misinformation out there deterring people from buying. 100% they are not for everyone but plenty more can and should move to EV. I've had my Audi for over a year and can't fault it.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

No where near the cost of we don't.

What is the cost if we don’t

 

[hambugerpete]

What is the cost if we don’t

I'll have to assume this is a joke of some sort.

 

[SteveW86]

What is the cost if we don’t

the world will end

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'll have to assume this is a joke of some sort.

Not at all - what is the cost to the UK

It’s costing trillions to reach it

But massive emitters like China and India are doing very little

 

[Arthur Wedge]

the world will end

Blimey - any clues on the decade

 

[PJ87]

Not at all - what is the cost to the UK

It’s costing trillions to reach it

But massive emitters like China and India are doing very little

Anyone who quotes china as "the problem" doesnt understand the issues. China are the world leaders in green energy, they have their own net zero targets which they are on course to meet (one decade later is the only difference) most of the world out sourced their emissions to china when they moved their industry there. Emissions per head is a lot lower than the USA .

China aren't problem.

 

[PJ87]

So much misinformation out there deterring people from buying. 100% they are not for everyone but plenty more can and should move to EV. I've had my Audi for over a year and can't fault it.

What would help stellious more is building better cars. The build quality is so bad it's unreal

Maybe the locals were too busy at the football to focus on their work

 

[hambugerpete]

Anyone who quotes china as "the problem" doesnt understand the issues. China are the world leaders in green energy, they have their own net zero targets which they are on course to meet (one decade later is the only difference) most of the world out sourced their emissions to china when they moved their industry there. Emissions per head is a lot lower than the USA .

China aren't problem.

Likewise India , making huge strides in renewables and lowering emissions. Also having quite a push on the EV front

 

[Arthur Wedge]

What would help stellious more is building better cars. The build quality is so bad it's unreal

Maybe the locals were too busy at the football to focus on their work

That’s not a great statement when people are losing their jobs

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Anyone who quotes china as "the problem" doesnt understand the issues. China are the world leaders in green energy, they have their own net zero targets which they are on course to meet (one decade later is the only difference) most of the world out sourced their emissions to china when they moved their industry there. Emissions per head is a lot lower than the USA .

China aren't problem.

Hasnt China’s emissions actually increased recently

China

climateactiontracker.org

 

[PJ87]

Hasnt China’s emissions actually increased recently

China

climateactiontracker.org

Ofc it has. The world buys everything from china. Did you even read my post? The world outsourced it's emissions to china.

"

Myth 4. China is mostly responsible for climate change
Human-induced climate change is something that has been happening for many years and Western countries, like the UK, have played a big role in contributing to carbon emissions over the past 200 years. This means that only looking at who the biggest emitters of greenhouse gases are today is an oversimplification of a very nuanced topic.

A lot of the products we purchase in the UK are manufactured in China, meaning that we are essentially transferring a large portion of our emissions to the countries responsible for creating the products we use. Part of the reason emissions from highly industrialised countries are so high is because of the high demand for products created by them, from countries such as the UK.

Despite being one of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases today, in part because it’s such a big country, China’s emissions per person are less than other countries like the United States.

China is also currently investing heavily in renewable energy. The increase in investment has been in response to the rapid growth of green business, the demand for renewable energy and the need to clean up air pollution in its major cities. "

Myth buster: China and India’s carbon emissions | Friends of the Earth

We’ve heard it before, “have you seen the emission figures? Look at China and India, it’s all their fault!”. This is a myth that we’ll debunk by addressing some popular beliefs surrounding global emissions.

friendsoftheearth.uk

Blaming china is typical whataboutary put out by climate change sceptics

 

[PNWokingham]

The whole 2030 and net zero punative charges are a total joke that risks imploding the whole European car industry and letting subsidised Chinese companies to clean up, built with power from coal. I know they are doing lots of green but when we are not even allowed to use our own North sea resourses to help while we improve products and promote green policies is economic suicide and same for Europe as a whole. Car models and plans take years to implement and car manufactures are stuck between a rock and hard place.

Solution - extra tarrifs on china and extra incentives for electric manufacturing and innovation, along with charging infrastructure. The transition to electric needs to work in harmony with what the public wants or they will not jump on the bandwaggon - it is coming but with evangelistic (bleep bleep) like Ed Miliband in leading positions i do not see much hope and that the European car manufacturers are in a big mess. Europe is a mess in the Middle of china dn the US, whose transition will work a lot better. Even Nissan are rumoured to be threatening to leave the UK due to current rules and that will be a massive loss. Let ICE be sold as long as they are wanted - they will be in a big minority in the early 2030s without any regulation, especially if the solid-stae batteries are as good as what we are being told and they should be widespread before the end of the decade.

 

[Fade and Die]

Ofc it has. The world buys everything from china. Did you even read my post? The world outsourced it's emissions to china.

"

Myth 4. China is mostly responsible for climate change
Human-induced climate change is something that has been happening for many years and Western countries, like the UK, have played a big role in contributing to carbon emissions over the past 200 years. This means that only looking at who the biggest emitters of greenhouse gases are today is an oversimplification of a very nuanced topic.

A lot of the products we purchase in the UK are manufactured in China, meaning that we are essentially transferring a large portion of our emissions to the countries responsible for creating the products we use. Part of the reason emissions from highly industrialised countries are so high is because of the high demand for products created by them, from countries such as the UK.

Despite being one of the largest emitters of greenhouse gases today, in part because it’s such a big country, China’s emissions per person are less than other countries like the United States.

China is also currently investing heavily in renewable energy. The increase in investment has been in response to the rapid growth of green business, the demand for renewable energy and the need to clean up air pollution in its major cities. "

Myth buster: China and India’s carbon emissions | Friends of the Earth

We’ve heard it before, “have you seen the emission figures? Look at China and India, it’s all their fault!”. This is a myth that we’ll debunk by addressing some popular beliefs surrounding global emissions.

friendsoftheearth.uk

Blaming china is typical whataboutary put out by climate change sceptics

So we should ignore China?

https://sigmaearth.com/global-carbon-emissions-country-by-country-for-2023/

The UK produce 0.8% of the world CO emissions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

 

[3 jabber]

the world will end

Any idea when? I'm supposed to be playing golf on Sunday