The all things EV chat thread

[Lord Tyrion]

I do anything from 30 to 330 miles per day but I average around 45,000 a year, my leccy bill would literally be through the roof and besides it just isn’t practical for me right now.

You charge up overnight, drive to your site, they have no charger. You do your job, then have to find a charger, sit there for x amount of time when you could be on your way home. That's a big part of the current problem for me. Having to spend time unnecessarily sat there.

 

[PJ87]

I do anything from 30 to 330 miles per day but I average around 45,000 a year, my leccy bill would literally be through the roof and besides it just isn’t practical for me right now.

Cheap overnight tariffs for EVs and your fuel bill drops

 

[PJ87]

Does the rapid charging not trash the battery or have they solved that now?

The chargers protect the battery. Slow it down when it gets past 80%

 

[Beezerk]

Cheap overnight tariffs for EVs and your fuel bill drops

And then who pays for the fuel? How would I split my energy bill to clearly show I used x amount of electricity to charge my car and then get my company to pay for it? It’s a massive grey area at the minute, couple of lads have plug in hybrids but they never charge the battery as the boss says they won’t pay for the electricity for the above reason.

 

[PJ87]

And then who pays for the fuel? How would I split my energy bill to clearly show I used x amount of electricity to charge my car and then get my company to pay for it? It’s a massive grey area at the minute, couple of lads have plug in hybrids but they never charge the battery as the boss says they won’t pay for the electricity for the above reason.

You can easily show what has been put through the charger

In fact legally they have to now

I can tell you exactly how many kw goes through my podpoint compared to my house

 

[Beezerk]

You can easily show what has been put through the charger

In fact legally they have to now

I can tell you exactly how many kw goes through my podpoint compared to my house

Email the link to my boss please, it’s ….@

 

[PJ87]

Email the link to my boss please, it’s ….@

Business Mileage Rates For Electric Vehicles | RAC

Mileage allowances for both diesel and petrol vehicles have been provided by HMRC for years, they've now introduced electric car business mileage rates.

www.rac.co.uk

There is a way to claim milage for ev which is way above what you pay for fuel

 

[Beezerk]

Business Mileage Rates For Electric Vehicles | RAC

Mileage allowances for both diesel and petrol vehicles have been provided by HMRC for years, they've now introduced electric car business mileage rates.

www.rac.co.uk

There is a way to claim milage for ev which is way above what you pay for fuel

You can claim 4p per mile I’m reading, how much is actual pence per mile for an electric car?

 

[PJ87]

You can claim 4p per mile I’m reading, how much is actual pence per mile for an electric car?

Around 3p atm
OVO do a tariff now charge whenever you want and it charges the cheap rate

 

[pool888]

You can claim 4p per mile I’m reading, how much is actual pence per mile for an electric car?

That's an old rate pre dating the large energy price increases, rate now is 9p per mile.

 

[PIng]

This could be a game changer -

Toyota claims battery breakthrough in potential boost for electric cars

Japanese firm believes it could make a solid-state battery with a range of 745 miles that charges in 10 minutes

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I did some work today in a chaps house, he was a salesman at a car dealership for a major brand. He said he (and his fellow branch salespeople) actively advise people not to buy ev. The repair costs when out of warranty are large, and they also won't take an ev in px for something else.
You may or may not like what he said, I am just repeating what he said.

 

[cliveb]

This could be a game changer -

Toyota claims battery breakthrough in potential boost for electric cars

Japanese firm believes it could make a solid-state battery with a range of 745 miles that charges in 10 minutes

www.theguardian.com

So the hope is for a battery that has a range of 750 miles which can charge in 10 minutes.
Let's be generous and say you get 4 miles per kWh. (Most EVs get less).
A range of 750 miles will require 187kWh, and to charge that in 10 mins will require a charging rate of over 1 Megawatt.
I am skeptical that significant numbers of 1MW chargers can be deployed in anything like the numbers needed to make this feasible for mass adoption.
And you can bet your life that 1MW chargers will charge a premium rate for the electricity. "You want your kilowatt hours fast? Certainly sir, that'll be £2/kWh".

 

[PJ87]

So the hope is for a battery that has a range of 750 miles which can charge in 10 minutes.
Let's be generous and say you get 4 miles per kWh. (Most EVs get less).
A range of 750 miles will require 187kWh, and to charge that in 10 mins will require a charging rate of over 1 Megawatt.
I am skeptical that significant numbers of 1MW chargers can be deployed in anything like the numbers needed to make this feasible for mass adoption.
And you can bet your life that 1MW chargers will charge a premium rate for the electricity. "You want your kilowatt hours fast? Certainly sir, that'll be £2/kWh".

The point of advanced batteries is less storage goes further. Not needing bigger storage

Your 4mpkw would become 10 mpkw for example

Tech will take time but it will get there in end

Needs less fannying about from the powers that be

 

[spongebob59]

Toyota are also pursuing the hydrogen fuel cell technology.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Toyota are also pursuing the hydrogen fuel cell technology.

Toyota have been for years. They have only joined the ev battle as the infrastructure for hydrogen isn't being pushed like they thought it would (and should) be.

 

[Jason.H]

All the new homes we build have a an EV charger included. I don’t know if other companies are doing the same.

 

[Slime]

All the new homes we build have a an EV charger included. I don’t know if other companies are doing the same.

I guess you don't build blocks of flats.

 

[cliveb]

The point of advanced batteries is less storage goes further. Not needing bigger storage

Your 4mpkw would become 10 mpkw for example

Tech will take time but it will get there in end

Needs less fannying about from the powers that be

I will grant that lighter batteries mean EVs will get better mileage. But 10 miles/kWh? That's fantasy. Electric motors are already very efficient. There's not that much scope for really huge improvements.

 

[PJ87]

I guess you don't build blocks of flats.

Already been thought of. Guy at work his sister has a flat, they have chargers with cards that bill you to your flat