The all things EV chat thread

[PJ87]

Er... If you can charge it quickly then range doesn't matter.

It's a valid point tho but so long as quicker charging comes it does semi solve the issue

Right now it wouldn't work

 

[cliveb]

Interesting to see why you think 250 house supply couldn't happen? I mean the tube uses enough electric to run 360,000 houses (a year) why would 250 be a problem?

Because the tube is a huge system spread over the whole of Greater London and you're comparing it to a car charging site the size of a garage. To supply 6MW it would need it's own substation. I don't think people have thought about the logistics of installing the necessary infrastructure to support rapid EV charging on a large scale.

 

[PJ87]

Because the tube is a huge system spread over the whole of Greater London and you're comparing it to a car charging site the size of a garage. To supply 6MW it would need it's own substation. I don't think people have thought about the logistics of installing the necessary infrastructure to support rapid EV charging on a large scale.

Check out gridserve at Braintree and how much power that can produce
At Braintree Electric Forecourt®, a 5 MW (AC) Grid connection enables us to #deliver an awesome amount of power to you very quickly.

We can receive 450 electric vehicle miles per minute of energy from the grid or 20,000 miles of charge per hour.

We also provide grid stabilisation services to the local area, can export in times of demand, and import additional energy on windy days from wind farms.

https://www.gridserve.com/ev-power-technology/?LeadSourceCode=crm1015

Worth noting it's already open...

 

[theoneandonly]

It's a valid point tho but so long as quicker charging comes it does semi solve the issue

Right now it wouldn't work

I agree still stuff to be done , but all the things that people give as reasons to not go EV are being chipped away at a rapid rate.
Faster, lighter, cheaper and more durable batteries are not far away.
In turn we'll see cheaper cars.

 

[theoneandonly]

Because the tube is a huge system spread over the whole of Greater London and you're comparing it to a car charging site the size of a garage. To supply 6MW it would need it's own substation. I don't think people have thought about the logistics of installing the necessary infrastructure to support rapid EV charging on a large scale.

The national grid largely follows the motorway network so it would be a piece of piss to get enough power for fast charging at motorway services.

 

[PJ87]

I agree still stuff to be done , but all the things that people give as reasons to not go EV are being chipped away at a rapid rate.
Faster, lighter, cheaper and more durable batteries are not far away.
In turn we'll see cheaper cars.

Lighter has happened already. Saw a video on an old nissan 24kw being upgraded by a company to 40kw battery. Due to tech advances it was same size

Charged 9k for the service think it was but these were people who didn't want a new car, were happy with their car and some were of the view of not throwing out stuff sort of thing so keep the older car going

All the 40kw batteries recovered from crash damaged leafs

 

[cliveb]

Check out gridserve at Braintree and how much power that can produce
At Braintree Electric Forecourt®, a 5 MW (AC) Grid connection enables us to #deliver an awesome amount of power to you very quickly.

We can receive 450 electric vehicle miles per minute of energy from the grid or 20,000 miles of charge per hour.

We also provide grid stabilisation services to the local area, can export in times of demand, and import additional energy on windy days from wind farms.

https://www.gridserve.com/ev-power-technology/?LeadSourceCode=crm1015

Worth noting it's already open...

Ok, that is a welcome development. I do wonder how much it cost to build, and how likely it is that these kind of facilities can be deployed on a large scale. It's clearly a much bigger undertaking than a traditional garage forecourt. If you browse Gridserve's coverage map, most of their sites are far smaller. Braintree is clearly the jewel in their crown.

I guess back in the 1920s skeptical people like me didn't believe it would be possible to build a nationwide network of petrol stations. So let's hope the future proves me wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to go electric. Every time I make the 1.5 mile trip to the golf club in my petrol car I think it would make so much more sense to be in an EV. But until the cost to purchase an EV becomes competitive, it makes no economic sense. If the government wants to encourage us all to switch, it needs to use bigger incentives than are currently on offer. Just banning ICE cars is a clumsy way of forcing the issue.

 

[PJ87]

Ok, that is a welcome development. I do wonder how much it cost to build, and how likely it is that these kind of facilities can be deployed on a large scale. It's clearly a much bigger undertaking than a traditional garage forecourt. If you browse Gridserve's coverage map, most of their sites are far smaller. Braintree is clearly the jewel in their crown.

I guess back in the 1920s skeptical people like me didn't believe it would be possible to build a nationwide network of petrol stations. So let's hope the future proves me wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to go electric. Every time I make the 1.5 mile trip to the golf club in my petrol car I think it would make so much more sense to be in an EV. But until the cost to purchase an EV becomes competitive, it makes no economic sense. If the government wants to encourage us all to switch, it needs to use bigger incentives than are currently on offer. Just banning ICE cars is a clumsy way of forcing the issue.

I agree the ban is clumsy but it seems the only way to force manufacturers to develope the tech and stop focusing on petrol etc

Grideserve have planning permission for more of these sites. I'm can't remember all of them on top of my head but Thurrock near me is getting one apparently

Grideserve has taken over the electric highway and is now undertaking upgrading their existing chargers at service stations. Removes the old 50kwh ones and replaces with 100kwh that can do 2 at once rather than 1

After that they are going to install more at all those locations and install 350kwh ones

 

[bobmac]

I remain skeptical. What does it take to fully charge an EV - about 50kWh, yes?
Now let's suppose a utopian future where everyone has an EV, and 10 of them arrive at a "filling station" expecting to get charged in 5 mins.

Ain't gonna happen.

Em, it is happening.

The thing that stops us getting one is the cost of buying the car. They are simply too expensive and make no economic sense for low mileage drivers.

A Nissan Leaf on Autotrader start at £3,500 perfect for your 1.5m commute to the golf club.

I don't think people have thought about the logistics of installing the necessary infrastructure to support rapid EV charging on a large scale.

I think they have, you just have to be patient.
We're not there yet but as someone said above, the reasons to not buy an EV are being fixed. Maybe not at the speed everyone would like but we have been busy with Covid recently.

And just for the record, ICE cars aren't being banned, just the sale of new cars. You can buy a new ICE car in 2029 and drive it for 30 years if you want to.

EVs are here to stay and as the prices continue to fall and charging points start appearing outside your supermarket/golf club/gym/cinema/shopping centre etc, it will make perfect sense to change.

 

[IanM]

James will miss breakfast at JCB as his car didn't charge.

Dino-diesel was here early and is drinking coffee!

 

[PJ87]

James will miss breakfast at JCB as his car didn't charge.

Dino-diesel was here early and is drinking coffee!

That's not the first time either? Something sounds bit off with his home charger ..

 

[Robster59]

That's not the first time either? Something sounds bit off with his home charger ..

Maybe needs some more 50p coins for the meter?

 

[bobmac]

Because the tube is a huge system spread over the whole of Greater London and you're comparing it to a car charging site the size of a garage. To supply 6MW it would need it's own substation. I don't think people have thought about the logistics of installing the necessary infrastructure to support rapid EV charging on a large scale.

''Europe's most powerful EV charging hub to open in Oxford this year
Energy Superhub Oxford will draw 10MW of power directly from the national grid''

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...ost-powerful-ev-charging-hub-open-oxford-year

 

[Whereditgo]

Er... If you can charge it quickly then range doesn't matter.

Except the actual towing capacity for EV's is next to useless. I am currently in the process of replacing my company car, I regularly need to tow a trailer, looking at EV's and even hybrids the options are very limited (probably zero).

On another note, I was talking to a mate a couple of years ago, he's a bit of a boffin, he reckoned then that they were working on a system whereby EV's would be charged via bluetooth as you drive down the motorway.

 

[bobmac]

Except the actual towing capacity for EV's is next to useless. I am currently in the process of replacing my company car, I regularly need to tow a trailer, looking at EV's and even hybrids the options are very limited (probably zero).

This may be of interest...

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/tips-and...with-an-electric-car-hybrid-or-plug-in-hybrid

 

[Whereditgo]

This may be of interest...

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/tips-and...with-an-electric-car-hybrid-or-plug-in-hybrid

The ones that have a suitable towing weight, circa 2000 kg for a braked trailer, are a bit (a lot) out of budget Bob.

 

[bobmac]

The ones that have a suitable towing weight, circa 2000 kg for a braked trailer, are a bit (a lot) out of budget Bob.

I did notice

 

[Smiffy]

I've got a guy that wants to buy an e208 and needs a towbar fitted to fit a bike rack. Peugeot don't offer a towbar, and trying to find one is proving to be a nightmare. Could be the be all and end all of the sale....????

 

[Robster59]

Except the actual towing capacity for EV's is next to useless. I am currently in the process of replacing my company car, I regularly need to tow a trailer, looking at EV's and even hybrids the options are very limited (probably zero).

On another note, I was talking to a mate a couple of years ago, he's a bit of a boffin, he reckoned then that they were working on a system whereby EV's would be charged via bluetooth as you drive down the motorway.

The Skoda Superb iV has a towing capacity and mine is fitted with a towbar. I've not used it yet but I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[spongebob59]

Had one of the Honda electric cars as a courtesy car yesterday, can't say I was blown away by the experience partly due to it being an automatic.
nearly passed out when they told.me.what it costs .when I took it back.
I won't be going electric until I am made to do so.