Stats (for those who are interested only)

[HomerJSimpson]

Lots of good listening on the podcast he does with Adam Young too, The Sweetspot, especially the ones with guests Lou Stagner, Scott Fawcett and Mark Broadie.

Big fan of the Sweet Spot pod cast. The Karl Morris Brain Booster ones worth a listen too

 

[garyinderry]

First stat comes from Lou Stagner and the Arccos database, on how much we generally hit the green from certain distances on the fairway.

I’ve been guilty of thinking on the range that I’m excellent from 95yards and then getting angry when I miss a couple on the course. This proves why I shouldn’t be.

Those stats are fairly mind blowing when you get down to the 175 to 200 range.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Those stats are fairly mind blowing when you get down to the 175 to 200 range.

200 yds in, 5 iron in hand and a scratch player will miss around 70% of the time. No wonder it seems a tough game for the rest of us.

 

[garyinderry]

200 yds in, 5 iron in hand and a scratch player will miss around 70% of the time. No wonder it seems a tough game for the rest of us.

A 20 handicap will stand there with their 5 iron missing it 9 out of 10 times while I stand shaking my head telling them about 5 hybrids.

 

[D-S]

200 yds in, 5 iron in hand and a scratch player will miss around 70% of the time. No wonder it seems a tough game for the rest of us.

Further shows how good better players are at getting up and down from around the green.

 

[Orikoru]

A 20 handicap will stand there with their 5 iron missing it 9 out of 10 times while I stand shaking my head telling them about 5 hybrids.

Miss the green or the ball?

 

[harpo_72]

Just out of interest how many 20 handicappers are hitting a 5 iron in to 200 yards … isn’t this all related to driver distance and the benefits of hitting it long

 

[Orikoru]

Just out of interest how many 20 handicappers are hitting a 5 iron in to 200 yards … isn’t this all related to driver distance and the benefits of hitting it long

I'm a 14 but I need to be hitting 5 wood for 200 yards, not 5 iron. I don't even own a 5 iron either.

 

[3offTheTee]

Just out of interest how many 20 handicappers are hitting a 5 iron in to 200 yards … isn’t this all related to driver distance and the benefits of hitting it long

Well age is not on my side plus health issues. If I hit my driver 180 yards I will be doing cart wheels. The answer to your question is less than 5% I would estimate.

 

[harpo_72]

The next question is that a 5 iron with what loft ?!?
@Orikoru maybe rename that club

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Just out of interest how many 20 handicappers are hitting a 5 iron in to 200 yards … isn’t this all related to driver distance and the benefits of hitting it long

I don't know how many are but I wouldn't mind betting 95% of those that attempt it will still have another shot to reach the green

 

[Jimaroid]

I like stats but I’m a stuck record on this: The Arccos and ShotScope stats are not as reliable as they claim, especially not when it comes to putting.

I use ShotScope. It’s mostly fine tee to green but from then with a putter in hand it’s a work of fiction. I know I’m not the only person entering nonsense into their database.

 

[louise_a]

First stat comes from Lou Stagner and the Arccos database, on how much we generally hit the green from certain distances on the fairway.

I’ve been guilty of thinking on the range that I’m excellent from 95yards and then getting angry when I miss a couple on the course. This proves why I shouldn’t be.

I like Lou's stat's and I have taken on board his manage your expectations mantra, it stops me stressing when I hit a less than perfect shot and it has helped my game.

 

[Backache]

I like stats but I’m a stuck record on this: The Arccos and ShotScope stats are not as reliable as they claim, especially not when it comes to putting.

I use ShotScope. It’s mostly fine tee to green but from then with a putter in hand it’s a work of fiction. I know I’m not the only person entering nonsense into their database.

I suspect you're spot on with your comment on putting.
As far as Shotscope is concerned I'm not totally sure about their approach shot calculations either. I stopped collecting data when I was playing a 210 yd Par three and getting to the middle of the green and it was recording shot length between 160 and 180 yds.

 

[Voyager EMH]

61-65....76%
66-70....77%

There is another blip for the 0-index at 201-205 and 206-210.

I wonder whether this has anything to do with the long-iron/hybrid divide.

 

[Jimaroid]

I suspect you're spot on with your comment on putting.
As far as Shotscope is concerned I'm not totally sure about their approach shot calculations either. I stopped collecting data when I was playing a 210 yd Par three and getting to the middle of the green and it was recording shot length between 160 and 180 yds.

Ah, yes, the perils of consumer grade GPS considered to be indisputable fact.

 

[harpo_72]

I only look at my stats to be fair, do I go this deep , no.
I just look at it simplistically and work on the basis some holes I will bogey and a par is not a given.
Do I beat myself up for missing yes I do, how do I stop missing, I suppose accept the truth.
The stats are really only as good as the data set and I really don’t know what or who is doing or inputting

 

[Backache]

Ah, yes, the perils of consumer grade GPS considered to be indisputable fact.

The strange thing was that the GPS was giving the correct reading on the tee.

 

[Voyager EMH]

The next question is that a 5 iron with what loft ?!?
@Orikoru maybe rename that club

Bryson de C says his 5-iron is 17°. "... technically that's a 2-iron." says he.
My Ping i10 5-iron is 27°.
Some of my older sets are around or over 30° for the 5-iron.

There's some statistical facts for everyone to muse over. (or not)

 

[Springveldt]

I'd say that most 20 handicappers can't hit a lob wedge 76-80 yds

It's either going 40 yards or 140 yards depending on strike.