Standard of people trying to make it Pro....

[fundy]

To put it into perspective too, the EuroPro tour is far from making it too! Played in several pro ams with one of the pros affiliated at Brocket Hall, he has won multiple times on the Europro but hasnt managed to take that to the next level. He certainly hits it well enough, just doesnt putt well enough to make it at the very top level but is regularly in the shake up on the europro.

 

[Deleted member 15717]

Amazing thread. 3 of the guys from my place thought they could easily make it through due to the smoke being blown up them by their 'mentor' 2 guys off 3, one guy off 1. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the guys was a playing partner to the mate you caddied for.
Think they are now going for Jamega, but the term 'big fish, little pond' at club level definitely springs to mind

 

[MendieGK]

To put it into perspective too, the EuroPro tour is far from making it too! Played in several pro ams with one of the pros affiliated at Brocket Hall, he has won multiple times on the Europro but hasnt managed to take that to the next level. He certainly hits it well enough, just doesnt putt well enough to make it at the very top level but is regularly in the shake up on the europro.

anyone good enough to make it on tour wont be on challenge tour for long.

Jordan Smith who won the OOM last year only played 10 events, has made every cut in European Tour events he has been invited to.

 

[fundy]

anyone good enough to make it on tour wont be on challenge tour for long.

Jordan Smith who won the OOM last year only played 10 events, has made every cut in European Tour events he has been invited to.

not sure i agree with that, there are plenty who are good enough who dont play well for one reason or another when they get their chance, and initial chances are very limited. expect the likes of Jordan Smith are the exception not the rule

 

[Simbo]

Currently out of 21 players there are only 2 who have broken par.
2 Woburn guys are at +6 and +9.
No disrespect meant, I don't know how difficult the course is or anything but that's pretty poor scoring to be thinking about that for a full time job. paying your mortgage and feeding your kids

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Currently out of 21 players there are only 2 who have broken par.
2 Woburn guys are at +6 and +9.
No disrespect meant, I don't know how difficult the course is or anything but that's pretty poor scoring to be thinking about that for a full time job. paying your mortgage and feeding your kids

Plenty of top class Pro's have had worse rounds in their time. Frilford is a tough course especially if the wind is up.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Plenty of top class Pro's have had worse rounds in their time. Frilford is a tough course especially if the wind is up.

Have to disagree with that Phil, for someone with aspirations of playing on tour Frilford is pretty easy. I'm sure a half decent ET player would regularly shoot mid 60's round a track like that.

 

[MendieGK]

not sure i agree with that, there are plenty who are good enough who dont play well for one reason or another when they get their chance, and initial chances are very limited. expect the likes of Jordan Smith are the exception not the rule

Sorry i meant Europro not Challenge, i dont think the difference between challenge and European tour is that much.

 

[MendieGK]

Have to disagree with that Phil, for someone with aspirations of playing on tour Frilford is pretty easy. I'm sure a half decent ET player would regularly shoot mid 60's round a track like that.

agree, the Blue course is there for the taking and the winner of the Europro Tour event there last year shot 63!!

Marco Penge is an incredible talent, hes only 17 or 18, off +5. Won the Sunningdale foursomes a few weeks ago with his Girlfriend who is off +3 ( although the handicapping for that event is massively in favour of the women - happy to explain if anyone wants to question it)

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Sam, I'm assuming they are playing the red? Or is it 2 of the courses?

 

[Snelly]

agree, the Blue course is there for the taking and the winner of the Europro Tour event there last year shot 63!!

Marco Penge is an incredible talent, hes only 17 or 18, off +5. Won the Sunningdale foursomes a few weeks ago with his Girlfriend who is off +3 ( although the handicapping for that event is massively in favour of the women - happy to explain if anyone wants to question it)

My friend is in the same team as Marco and he says he can really play.

He has a chance of making it according to my mate whose judgement I respect greatly.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Have to disagree with that Phil, for someone with aspirations of playing on tour Frilford is pretty easy. I'm sure a half decent ET player would regularly shoot mid 60's round a track like that.

Can't judge after one round mate

If they go round again with the same score then yes maybe but I have no doubt every single pro would have had a mare at one stage in their career both early and late.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Good on any of them giving it a go, if only it means they tried.
Better to have tried and failed than never tried at all.
Plus it might be the wake up call they need.

 

[chrisd]

I turned up for a lesson with my teaching pro and he was just finishing a lesson, the guy he was working with was +5 and they still weren't sure that he'd turn pro

 

[MendieGK]

Sam, I'm assuming they are playing the red? Or is it 2 of the courses?

yeah one round on each of the Blue and Red, then those that make the cut play the blue (worst of the 3 IMO). need to shoot a score on the blue and then just get round the red.

its very windy round this way today and we've had a lot of showers, so it wont be easy

 

[Three]

The whole idea of QSchool is for people to see if they have what it takes.

Can't criticise anyone for trying, we shouldn't die wondering "what if?".

There are however, quite a few seriously deluded ones out there who are playing in minor pro tournaments year after year and still act like they have a chance of making it. Almost without exception they are living off mummy and daddy's money, it dries up sooner or later though and then they have to get a proper job.

 

[Foxholer]

I've seen a few (a dozen or so) top Ams close up who have been close to turning Pro and only 2 have made it properly. One should have, but poor management (by father) was, imo, the cause of his demise!

Best current 'hope' is the all round nice guy Ricardo Gouveia, who missed out be 1 on Euro Tour Qualifying 2 years ago, won the Challenge Tour last year and is currently 81 on Race to Dubai!

Euro Pro Tour is actually pretty poor quality - at least for real stars! Though it's one of the few ways into the big time and a fairly cheap way for the 'big fish in small pond' to (sadly) realise that they haven't got what it takes to make it on the bigger Tours!

 

[351DRIVER]

The thing is plus 3 golfers over the course of 4 rounds on the bigger pro tours are still around 20 shot shy of the standard needed to be competitive

We normal golfers see plus 3 and go oooh and aaaa, but the reality is, they still need to score much much better.

If full on tour events were played at most local tracks they would be shooting in the 30 unders every time

As amateur golfers its very easy to underestimate just how good the successful tour pros are, plus 2 or 3 usually means you are king dick at your club, but you better get a lot better if you want to earn money from golf (After all every few clubs has a guy like that and there are 30,000 clubs on this earth.)

As a teenager i thought scratch golf was amazing, scratch golf is so far away from what is needed its not worth even thinking about it

If golf handicaps were a big triangle with the 24handicaps at the foot and then getting towards a peak, plus 3 would be short of where money was being earned

I know 3 guys who were all plus 2 and 3 and none of them came close, its not mental, their best just was not as good as that of other even more talented people who are out there, they had to improve from where they were, but the best they could do was not good enough to earn money.

 

[dufferman]

The thing is plus 3 golfers over the course of 4 rounds on the bigger pro tours are still around 20 shot shy of the standard needed to be competitive

We normal golfers see plus 3 and go oooh and aaaa, but the reality is, they still need to score much much better.

If full on tour events were played at most local tracks they would be shooting in the 30 unders every time

As amateur golfers its very easy to underestimate just how good the successful tour pros are, plus 2 or 3 usually means you are king dick at your club, but you better get a lot better if you want to earn money from golf (After all every few clubs has a guy like that and there are 30,000 clubs on this earth.)

As a teenager i thought scratch golf was amazing, scratch golf is so far away from what is needed its not worth even thinking about it

If golf handicaps were a big triangle with the 24handicaps at the foot and then getting towards a peak, plus 3 would be short of where money was being earned

I know 3 guys who were all plus 2 and 3 and none of them came close, its not mental, their best just was not as good as that of other even more talented people who are out there, they had to improve from where they were, but the best they could do was not good enough to earn money.

Justin Rose on Instagram a while back (pre-Christmas) had a week/end away with mates and they played a comp. They put him on a +10 handicap. He still won. So he was at least 10 shots behind each round (if all others played off scratch, which I don't think they did). That's what it takes to make it:

"justinprose99#jrc15albany round 1 scores.... The lads make me play off +10!!!!!"

 

[garyinderry]

Some seriously poor scores from his mates :rofl: