Soft and hard caps kicking in following re-rating

[clubchamp98]

If the rough is significantly lower on the entire course, wouldn’t this have an impact, albeit smaller, on the CR as well as the Slope?

The rough was butchered just as WHS was kicking in.
We had some incredible scores for a long time.
But they have listened to the members and this season it’s been much longer ,no silly scores at all this year.

I think that’s why we’re so suprized.
Rose Bowl Open is on Sunday ,Elite players play in this will be interesting to see what the Elite ams score on it.

 

[D-S]

The change of rating in your case (decrease in slope, same CR) suggests that the course has become ‘easier’ for bogey golfers but remains exactly the same test for the scratch golfer. So the scores in a scratch Open sort of have no real relevance to this.
It is always good to remember that these are model scratch and bogey golfers, not actual ones.

 

[clubchamp98]

The change of rating in your case (decrease in slope, same CR) suggests that the course has become ‘easier’ for bogey golfers but remains exactly the same test for the scratch golfer. So the scores in a scratch Open sort of have no real relevance to this.
It is always good to remember that these are model scratch and bogey golfers, not actual ones.

It seems the other way around though.
The rough has been reinstated to what it was before .
This would impact bogey golfers who miss fairways more than scratch golfers who don’t miss many surley.

On the day of the rating the rough was quite brutal to be honest.

 

[D-S]

It seems the other way around though.
The rough has been reinstated to what it was before .
This would impact bogey golfers who miss fairways more than scratch golfers who don’t miss many surley.

On the day of the rating the rough was quite brutal to be honest.

A lot depends on the width of the landing zones of the scratch and bogey golfer and the depth/severity at those points. Width of fairways is always key.
Having said that it also depends on how it was rated in the first place and any changes to rating protocols in the meantime, which might have more of an impact on some courses than others.

 

[clubchamp98]

A lot depends on the width of the landing zones of the scratch and bogey golfer and the depth/severity at those points. Width of fairways is always key.
Having said that it also depends on how it was rated in the first place and any changes to rating protocols in the meantime, which might have more of an impact on some courses than others.

Yes I wouldn’t say the fairways were exactly wide just normal.

In the great scheme of things it dosnt make a lot of difference.
All members will be capped under the same rating.
Plus we will get more shots when we go away.
And players will get less when they come here!

Not sure it’s a great selling point for the club though.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Remember there is a judgement factor in the rating process as well as the precise measurements taken regarding landing zones, greens, etc. Judgement is applied in many areas regarding severity of different aspects of the course and whilst these shouldn't make a big difference they will make some.

Also most of the courses being re-rated this year will have been done in the first phase of rating 10 years ago (they have to be done every 10 years). The rating teams were less experienced in the early days and the criteria have eased over the years to be less prescriptive.

People have mentioned the state of the extreme rough which due to the poor weather thus far could be radically different from a time when it was burnt out through drought. Trees are 10 years older and have got bigger / encroach more. All factors that can impact the rating despite the raters asking the club for their normal setup of rough and greens.

All of these factors mean that things will change but hopefully sensible judgement will be applied to get a fair result.

If you are unhappy with the process you could always volunteer to join your County Rating team to learn more!

 

[rulefan]

If you are unhappy with the process you could always volunteer to join your County Rating team to learn more!

 

[IanM]

Doing the Raters' Induction seminar is quite enlightening and (strangely enough) reassuring!

Back at the thread title. My wife is within a cap, but unless you do the maths, I'm not sure how you'd know. A little SC or HC on the App in the margin wouldn't go amiss!

 

[tobybarker]

If you are unhappy with the process you could always volunteer to join your County Rating team to learn more!

I did but there's a waiting list

 

[DickInShorts]

Doing the Raters' Induction seminar is quite enlightening and (strangely enough) reassuring!

Back at the thread title. My wife is within a cap, but unless you do the maths, I'm not sure how you'd know. A little SC or HC on the App in the margin wouldn't go amiss!

In Scotland you need to look at the website to see your low index. Not sure why the app - EG or Scottish don’t show it.

 

[rosecott]

Doing the Raters' Induction seminar is quite enlightening and (strangely enough) reassuring!

Back at the thread title. My wife is within a cap, but unless you do the maths, I'm not sure how you'd know. A little SC or HC on the App in the margin wouldn't go amiss!

Masterscoreboard, Handicapmaster's front end for players, shows your Low Index.

 

[clubchamp98]

The rough was butchered just as WHS was kicking in.
We had some incredible scores for a long time.
But they have listened to the members and this season it’s been much longer ,no silly scores at all this year.

I think that’s why we’re so suprized.
Rose Bowl Open is on Sunday ,Elite players play in this will be interesting to see what the Elite ams score on it.

So the winner a +5 golfer shot -1 for 36 holes.
He was the only one out of 54 players to break par.
Last shot +34.

How anyone can say the course is easier is beyond me.

 

[wjemather]

So the winner a +5 golfer shot -1 for 36 holes.
He was the only one out of 54 players to break par.
Last shot +34.

How anyone can say the course is easier is beyond me.

The Course Rating hasn't changed, so it isn't any easier.

There was nothing unusual about the scoring; pretty similar to that seen in scratch opens up and down the country.

 

[clubchamp98]

The Course Rating hasn't changed, so it isn't any easier.

There was nothing unusual about the scoring; pretty similar to that seen in scratch opens up and down the country.

Think there are a few Hollywood handicaps there.

So everyone has lost shots with the re rating so they are saying “ it’s easier”

 

[D-S]

Think there are a few Hollywood handicaps there.

So everyone has lost shots with the re rating so they are saying “ it’s easier”

No, they are saying that it has become slightly easier for bogey golfers and remains exactly as difficult for scratch golfers. A scratch golfer will receive no more or less shots, a bogey golfer will receive ‘lose’ just over a shot.

 

[clubchamp98]

No, they are saying that it has become slightly easier for bogey golfers

All the talk in the clubhouse Saturday the bogey golfers beg to differ!

129 to 120 is a big difference.
We just found out the course or the 7th hole is 35yds longer .
They have never replaced the tombstone on the white tee and use the winter tee now for all comps.