Soft and hard caps kicking in following re-rating

[rulefan]

Can you give us the lengths of the tees involved please?

 

[tobybarker]

Well, la-di-da......wg have reset the low indexes so that the caps are not kicking in. But of a glitch in the system that nobody foresaw.

Something to bear in mind if you're course gets rerated.

 

[wjemather]

Well, la-di-da......wg have reset the low indexes so that the caps are not kicking in. But of a glitch in the system that nobody foresaw.

Something to bear in mind if you're course gets rerated.

There is no glitch. The issue is the discrepancy in ratings - there would have to be massive course changes to result in such a huge difference. Resetting the low indexes hasn't addressed why it happened or verified that the new ratings are actually correct - on the surface, they do appear to be very low for that course.

 

[tobybarker]

It IS a glitch in my opinion.. ... If the rating is correct then the capping needs to be adjusted. They assure us the rating is correct.. they gully expect readings and slopes of other courses to change as and when they get done.unquote....

 

[clubchamp98]

Well, la-di-da......wg have reset the low indexes so that the caps are not kicking in. But of a glitch in the system that nobody foresaw.

Something to bear in mind if you're course gets rerated.

Ours is getting done on Monday.
Be interesting to see outcome.

 

[wjemather]

It IS a glitch in my opinion.. ... If the rating is correct then the capping needs to be adjusted. They assure us the rating is correct.. they gully expect readings and slopes of other courses to change as and when they get done.unquote....

Both old and new ratings can't possibly be correct unless the course has been significantly altered since the old rating without being re-rated at the time. The rating system simply hasn't changed that much.

 

[nickjdavis]

Ours was re-rated a couple of weeks ago. Not sure we have heard anything back from the rating team yet....how long does it take normally?

 

[jim8flog]

Both old and new ratings can't possibly be correct unless the course has been significantly altered since the old rating without being re-rated at the time. The rating system simply hasn't changed that much.

I think you are missing Tobybarker's point

What he is saying is that if the course gets rerated historic hard and soft caps need to be reviewed. A glitch in that the system fails to do this automatically.

 

[wjemather]

I think you are missing Tobybarker's point

What he is saying is that if the course gets rerated historic hard and soft caps need to be reviewed. A glitch in that the system fails to do this automatically.

Not at all. It is wrong to say there is a glitch in the system when the problem lies elsewhere. The system cannot be expected to correct for faulty data (in this case, the course ratings).

If correct, ratings will not change sufficiently to bring caps into play. There is no glitch in the system; there is either an issue with the old/new ratings that were/are wrong, or there has been an oversight by the club in changing the course without getting re-rated at the time.

Resetting LHIs does not address the root cause or ensure the new ratings are actually correct.

 

[wjemather]

Ours was re-rated a couple of weeks ago. Not sure we have heard anything back from the rating team yet....how long does it take normally?

Usually about a four to six week process from rating day. Forms get completed and sent to the national rating team for processing.

 

[Alan Clifford]

I think you are missing Tobybarker's point

What he is saying is that if the course gets rerated historic hard and soft caps need to be reviewed. A glitch in that the system fails to do this automatically.

Wouldn't you have to look at the records of anyone, members and visitors, who had ever played the course?

 

[tobybarker]

Not at all. It is wrong to say there is a glitch in the system when the problem lies elsewhere. The system cannot be expected to correct for faulty data (in this case, the course ratings).

If correct, ratings will not change sufficiently to bring caps into play. There is no glitch in the system; there is either an issue with the old/new ratings that were/are wrong, or there has been an oversight by the club in changing the course without getting re-rated at the time.

Resetting LHIs does not address the root cause or ensure the new ratings are actually correct.

We don't know if the rating is wrong. All I'm saying is that if the rating changes for whatever reason then the cap system should pick up the fact. Glitch.

 

[Swango1980]

We don't know if the rating is wrong. All I'm saying is that if the rating changes for whatever reason then the cap system should pick up the fact. Glitch.

Surely the rating was wrong at some point? Otherwise, how could it change so much, whilst the course remains the same?

 

[tobybarker]

Surely the rating was wrong at some point? Otherwise, how could it change so much, whilst the course remains the same?

Dunno. Im not a rater

 

[clubchamp98]

Surely the rating was wrong at some point? Otherwise, how could it change so much, whilst the course remains the same?

Ours is getting done on Monday.
Be interesting to see outcome.

Our has gone from 71.7 slope 129.
To 71.7 slope 120.
Course hasn’t changed at all. ??

So one rating is miles out, I’m very surprised it’s that low it’s quite a difficult course.

 

[rulefan]

Our has gone from 71.7 slope 129.
To 71.7 slope 120.
Course hasn’t changed at all. ??

So one rating is miles out, I’m very surprised it’s that low it’s quite a difficult course.

Seemingly the Bogey Rating has changed. I suggest you ask the county what has caused it. They will (should) have both sets of documents. If not EG will.
How long since you last had it rated?

 

[wjemather]

Our has gone from 71.7 slope 129.
To 71.7 slope 120.
Course hasn’t changed at all. ??

So one rating is miles out, I’m very surprised it’s that low it’s quite a difficult course.

Didn't you say the rough is much lower than it used to be? Any changes like that, making for easier recovery shots, will lower the Slope rating.

 

[D-S]

If the rough is significantly lower on the entire course, wouldn’t this have an impact, albeit smaller, on the CR as well as the Slope?

 

[nickjdavis]

Ours was re-rated a couple of weeks ago. Not sure we have heard anything back from the rating team yet....how long does it take normally?

I can see the results of our re-rating on the National Course Rating Database. Changes are subtle. Par is 70 for all sets of tees.

GENDER/TEES	OLD CR	New CR	OLD SLOPE	NEW SLOPE
Male - White	68.7	69.0	124	120
Male - Yellow	67.3	67.7	119	118
Female - Red	69.9	70.0	121	117
Female - Yellow (new)	-	72.7	-	123
Male - Red (new)	-	64.5	-	115

 

[clubchamp98]

Didn't you say the rough is much lower than it used to be? Any changes like that, making for easier recovery shots, will lower the Slope rating.

Normally yes but this season it’s been much longer.
The members can’t belive it.
No explanation yet.

Local courses that are miles easier are now rated harder than ours.
Most members are moaning now about losing shots.