Should single sex golf clubs be allowed to exist?
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Snelly
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Yes they should exist.
The Peter Dawson fact about them representing 1% of all clubs and the split being 50/50 men only / women only is very relevant. It is such a small number that the debate is pretty irrelevant in my view.
The Peter Dawson fact about them representing 1% of all clubs and the split being 50/50 men only / women only is very relevant. It is such a small number that the debate is pretty irrelevant in my view.
Hacker Khan
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May be you hang around in different clubhouses to me but I don't see that many non white middle aged male faces in the ones I've been in. I did state this is the image in the UK. I am not saying the game is racist unless there is proof that they are direct discrimination against non white people joining clubs, as there has been in America in the past. But I am struggling to see how calling golf a game played by mostly white male middle aged people UK is being racist?
As for basketball then I am not aware of the make up of basketball teams/clubs in the UK so can't comment. And cricket in this country seems to have a healthy mixture of different cultures/races playing from what I can see.
Golf of today can't be blamed for for the past. Of course more white old men play golf currently as in the past there clearly was an issue with racism, but that was countrywide and not exclusively with golf. There will therefor be a timescale before it evens out. Look at football now, it's as multicultural as anything yet there still aren't many back managers. As to cricket, watch an England vs any Asian country and see which team has more support. That's not a bad complaint. Just a simple truth.
Hacker Khan
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As is the fact that only 2% of people that play golf on a weekly basis are non white which is very low compared with other popular sports http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2013/may/22/uk-golf-clubs-race-issues and 16% or members are female http://www.englandgolf.org/page.aspx?sitesectionid=329&sitesectiontitle=recruiting+women+and+girls
Plus I am pretty sure in a recent article in GM that it was stated the UK has one of the lowest percentage of female members or players of golf in the countries that play golf. Hence my statement that is a white males sport.
But we seemed to have strayed into the race territory when the original debate was about single sex clubs, so I'll stop now.
Birchy
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As is the fact that only 2% of people that play golf on a weekly basis are non white which is very low compared with other popular sports http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2013/may/22/uk-golf-clubs-race-issues and 16% or members are female http://www.englandgolf.org/page.aspx?sitesectionid=329&sitesectiontitle=recruiting+women+and+girls
Plus I am pretty sure in a recent article in GM that it was stated the UK has one of the lowest percentage of female members or players of golf in the countries that play golf. Hence my statement that is a white males sport.
But we seemed to have strayed into the race territory when the original debate was about single sex clubs, so I'll stop now.
Yeah but why you quoting factual figures when perception trumps facts every time??
Maybe you need to get that copy of the daily mail out to find another stupid line you can copy and paste into every thread :thup:
bluewolf
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He's backing up his perception with facts mate. (Or at least facts according to the Guardian).
Now go and put down yer Daily Mail and do some work..
El Bandito
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I have no problem with them existing. I sometimes feel that society is too keen to legislate on everything. Would I join one? Im not sure that it would make any difference to my choice one way or the other.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Mind you even in my pretty enlightened place there are grumbles when a couple of ladies 4 Balls goes off the first between let's say 8:30am and 10am on a Saturday morning at this time of year. Why? Because of the limited tee times of a late-autumn and winters day and many of our ladies can, and do, play during the week - and quite regularly - as opposed to most men who can't. And as it happens the same grumbles are made about seniors...!
But that's an aside and not really germane to the discussion...other than tangentially.
But that's an aside and not really germane to the discussion...other than tangentially.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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But is it good for golf that our most high profile event - and that watched by most non-golfers - can be portrayed to the wider public by a press and media always on the look out for a story as being sexist, anachronistic, for the priviliged and stuck in the dark ages. Or does it not matter and golf needn't care what the press or public think because golf knows better.
Olympics coming up soon - should golf do anything in respect of our discussion for then - or do we just let thing be. And on that - surely if the Olympic Committee was at all bothered about the issue of single sex clubs it would have demanded change prior to golf being introduced to the Olympics. I can't recall hearing ANY such discussion or concerns in that respect - however I wonder if they will start being heard as 2016 comes approaches.
Olympics coming up soon - should golf do anything in respect of our discussion for then - or do we just let thing be. And on that - surely if the Olympic Committee was at all bothered about the issue of single sex clubs it would have demanded change prior to golf being introduced to the Olympics. I can't recall hearing ANY such discussion or concerns in that respect - however I wonder if they will start being heard as 2016 comes approaches.
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FairwayDodger
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The IOC make the R&A seem like an enlightened forward-thinking modern organisation. Don't get me started on the issue of winter Olympics in Russia....
.... or football world cup in Qatar for that matter!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Hmmm - mentioning Qatar - are all clubs in the gulf states open to women members?
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
No I don't think it's good. Yes of course the media may be looking for a stereotypical story about golf being elitist, sexist blah blah blah, but golf seems to gift wrap it and hand it to them on a very attractive porcelain plate. Just follow what they do in the US where no courses with male only members can host the US Open and Augusta has made a token gesture of allowing 2 female members. Then the press will have no story and perceptions will change.
And if we get to the point when golf does not matter what the press or public think as they think they know better then to me that is a very arrogant attitude for the long term good of the whole game. IMHO of course.
FairwayDodger
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You're kidding right?
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Only one club in Qatar and YES membership is open to both men & women equally. I believe the same is true in both Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
FairwayDodger
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How about Saudi?
Think you missed my point..... golf club membership is the least of the problems faced by women in that part of the world.
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Aside from Saudi which really is an anachronism I am not aware of major problems faced by women in Qatar or UAE.
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