Should single sex golf clubs be allowed to exist?

[brendy]

The world is full of double standard, I suppose you could call it being human.
If a group of fellas want a men only club, why shouldnt they, they pay for it, they own the land etc, similarly, if a group of women wanted to do the same, fair play to them and crack on.

 

[One Planer]

The world is full of double standard, I suppose you could call it being human.
If a group of fellas want a men only club, why shouldnt they, they pay for it, they own the land etc, similarly, if a group of women wanted to do the same, fair play to them and crack on.

:thup:

 

[Slab]

Call them whatever colour you like, but surely a course should be played as it was designed and from its full length?

I'm not arguing that it is reasonable for us all to play from those tees as it plainly isn't.

I can easily imagine plenty higher handicap men giving up memberships if courses had to be played on its full length only

Not a hope I'd ever play again at the local course (either as a member or as a pay & play) if it was only the Langer tee's (full course length)

In fact the more I think about it the concept would easily endanger the future of golf itself!

 

[Pin-seeker]

I'd say it's not too far from the truth, just people are too PC to admit it.

Exactly,too many people say what they think people want to ear rather than what they think.

 

[Pin-seeker]

The world is full of double standard, I suppose you could call it being human.
If a group of fellas want a men only club, why shouldnt they, they pay for it, they own the land etc, similarly, if a group of women wanted to do the same, fair play to them and crack on.

Spot on mate

 

[Slime]

Call them whatever colour you like, but surely a course should be played as it was designed and from its full length?

I'm not arguing that it is reasonable for us all to play from those tees as it plainly isn't.

I totally agree, but surely courses are designed to be played from various tees on each hole, therefore each course is designed to be played from a choice of lengths.

Oh, and as to the OP, yes ................... without a doubt.

Slime.

 

[ArnoldArmChewer]

Would you like to take the choice away from the lady members of Formby ladies club, Wirral ladies club and Elie ladies club? Do you view the way these clubs operate as discriminatory?

Id actually like to see more ladies Golf clubs. It could possibly be good for the game. Whats your views on this?

As I said earlier I have no problem with single sex clubs, I agree that a lot of ladies could conceivably feel much more comfortable in this environment, certainly there are at least two ladies only gyms in my local area.

 

[williamalex1]

OK, we're way off piste now and the notion of using the same tees is ridiculous but since this one keeps coming up here's an alternative view. The average female club golfer simply couldn't play off the back tees at many courses (could at my course, incidentally - easily), couldn't clear hazards, reach fairways etc etc on many holes. So if these clubs decided all players would use the same tees in comps, it couldn't be the back ones could it? The real question is how much fun are you lot going to have playing off the reds?

The reds would suit me just fine thank you:thup:

 

[Qwerty]

Yes, I believe in choice, if either sex prefer gender exclusivity then why should it not be allowed?

Sorry Arnold, I should of mentioned that I agreed with your 1st post, My post was directed at Hacker Khan who mentioned the word Discrimination.

As I said earlier I have no problem with single sex clubs, I agree that a lot of ladies could conceivably feel much more comfortable in this environment, certainly there are at least two ladies only gyms in my local area.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Golf and membership of a golf club is portrayed as elitist and a 'rich mans pastime' by those who have an axe to grind. And for those of a mind seeking and seeing sex discrimination under every stone turned - golf therefore is an easy target for them against which to vent their spleen.

Unfortunately as it is a fact that we are tarred with the elitism tag (if that is not mixing met stuff) no matter what we or ss clubs might say - mud sticks (another met to add to the mix) - and the truth about golf and golf clubs is what the liberal and wannabe proletariat believe. And so when The Open goes to a ss club - lot's of froth and bother, and noise and naysayerism abound. Let it be so.

 

[Robobum]

I totally agree, but surely courses are designed to be played from various tees on each hole, therefore each course is designed to be played from a choice of lengths.

Oh, and as to the OP, yes ................... without a doubt.

Slime.

In theory yes. In practicality, perhaps new course are built that way.

A big number of tracks I have played have certain tees that make most, if not all, features redundant.

 

[hoop67]

The bowling club i am a member of doesn't have any female members and we are classed as sexist!!!!

We aren't sexist....you just need proposed to join by a female member

 

[patricks148]

Of course they should.

It’s like saying, should there be single sex Gyms, Insurance, schools.

In fact as someone said earlier I’m sure if there were more single sex clubs (for women that is) more would probably play.

But at the end of the day few women play golf compared to Men and is the same with most sports.

Anyway 99.9 % of the population wouldn’t get in the Likes of Muirfield as they wouldn’t fit the membership criteria no matter what sex they were

 

[Hacker Khan]

Golf and membership of a golf club is portrayed as elitist and a 'rich mans pastime' by those who have an axe to grind. And for those of a mind seeking and seeing sex discrimination under every stone turned - golf therefore is an easy target for them against which to vent their spleen.

Unfortunately as it is a fact that we are tarred with the elitism tag (if that is not mixing met stuff) no matter what we or ss clubs might say - mud sticks (another met to add to the mix) - and the truth about golf and golf clubs is what the liberal and wannabe proletariat believe. And so when The Open goes to a ss club - lot's of froth and bother, and noise and naysayerism abound. Let it be so.

I think it's a bit naive to say that golf only has an elitist image amongst people with 'an axe to grind' or those looking to see sex discrimination everywhere. I'd say it has that image in society in general. If golf in the UK is not mostly a well off white man’s slightly elitist sport then the game does a very bad job of putting forwards 'the facts' to counter that argument. And taking the open to such SS establishments does not help. In fact I'd be willing to bet that if you asked the general public outside of those who reside in clubhouses what was the biggest fuss being made before the open about this year and who won it, I bet they more would remember what the fuss was about than who won.

Perception trumps facts every single time, and wittering on about men not being able to join the WI or the black lawyers society or whatever alleged areas of discrimination there is against white males is not really going to change many minds. Whereas letting women become members of a few high profile clubs they are currently excluded from, whilst one could argue may be a mostly token gesture, will help to change that perception.

 

[Papas1982]

I think it's a bit naive to say that golf only has an elitist image amongst people with 'an axe to grind' or those looking to see sex discrimination everywhere. I'd say it has that image in society in general. If golf in the UK is not mostly a well off white man’s slightly elitist sport then the game does a very bad job of putting forwards 'the facts' to counter that argument. And taking the open to such SS establishments does not help. In fact I'd be willing to bet that if you asked the general public outside of those who reside in clubhouses what was the biggest fuss being made before the open about this year and who won it, I bet they more would remember what the fuss was about than who won.

Perception trumps facts every single time, and wittering on about men not being able to join the WI or the black lawyers society or whatever alleged areas of discrimination there is against white males is not really going to change many minds. Whereas letting women become members of a few high profile clubs they are currently excluded from, whilst one could argue may be a mostly token gesture, will help to change that perception.

I don't think any person or organisation should pander to peoples perceptions. And I find it offensive that in this day and age, when the biggest icon in the sport is tiger woods that the race card is even mentioned. Golf is an expensive sport when compared to many, so i agree that you needs money to play it but to say its a white mans sport is offensive to me. Is it ok for me to claim that basketball is a black mans sport? Or cricket an Asians?

 

[RobRob]

I dont see why not! There are female only gym rooms, female only swim times so why not female only golf clubs?!

 

[golfandmoregolf]

There is a debate on it in National Club Golfer....Interesting read.

 

[CliveW]

There is a debate on it in National Club Golfer....Interesting read.

Which, if you read the original post, prompted the whole discussion.

 

[chellie]

Originally Posted by markgs wish there we no ladies on my course to slow and get away with everthing, last week there were a 5 ball ladies in front of us sharing 3 sets of clubs, on a saturday to course was backed up. If that was men doing that they would have a brown letter waiting for them

Where on earth do you play where a 5 ball would be allowed. Also, what did the Pro and Secretary say when you complained.

Bumping as want to know answer

 

[Matty]

Absolutely they should be allowed to exist and should also be left alone.

There are equal opportunities from both genders to form single sex groups (or clubs or societies or institutes) and they exist both ways. If 'men only' groups are to be eradicated then the 'women only' groups must be eradicated too. But why? These groups exist because that is what those members desire - leave them to it and let them enjoy themselves while you get on with enjoying yourself.