USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Chances are, on a quiet course, a couple of golfers, a few rabbits, then your voice will carry. Factor in 500 people, nattering away, not paying attention, a bit of wind, and there's no chance.
Serves you right Rory????
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Chances are, on a quiet course, a couple of golfers, a few rabbits, then your voice will carry. Factor in 500 people, nattering away, not paying attention, a bit of wind, and there's no chance.
Deke
Journeyman Pro
Certainly seems that way with a few of them mate!
It is not the fact that they may/may not be heard,but many don't even try!
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
Look, grant me some empathy. Of course I wouldn't have glibly said "lighten up" in that context.
I'm going to repeat myself since people are half-reading and misunderstanding the point I am trying to make.
Rory should have shouted fore. Undeniably.
He perceived that his shot was not in danger of hitting anyone so he thought he "didn't need to shout".
He was wrong.
OK, I'm not defending him for not shouting just able to see shades of grey and understand why he didn't.
Hopefully that's quite clear and nobody else will post on here that I think it's "OK" to not shout fore.
Which I don't, in case you still don't get it.
Largsgolf1974
Assistant Pro
Surely this is more about the etiquette of golf rather than the lad complaining. This has stuck in my throat for ages, will it take someone getting killed to make these golfers realise.
golfcitydweller
Q-School Graduate
he or the caddie should have shouted- got what he deserved and the lad he hit should have asked him why he didn`t shout to see what his response was ...not keen on mcilroy - if the wind gets up he`ll be posted missin as usual
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Should he have shouted...? Yes, of course.
Would it have made a difference...? No. Not a bit.
At an event like The Open you have a duty to keep aware of what's going on. It's a golf course, if you're not watching what's going on then why are you there?
A shout of "Fore", when there is a large crowd is largely symbolic. Anyone more 100 yards away isn't going hear it.
At the Ryder cup in 2010 we nearly got hit by Mickleson's opening drive. I've no
idea if he or anyone shouted - we wouldn't have heard it if he had.
The reason we didn't get hit is because we watched the Marshall and he indicated that it was coming our way....
Rory should have called but in reality it wouldn't have made a difference
Would it have made a difference...? No. Not a bit.
At an event like The Open you have a duty to keep aware of what's going on. It's a golf course, if you're not watching what's going on then why are you there?
A shout of "Fore", when there is a large crowd is largely symbolic. Anyone more 100 yards away isn't going hear it.
At the Ryder cup in 2010 we nearly got hit by Mickleson's opening drive. I've no
idea if he or anyone shouted - we wouldn't have heard it if he had.
The reason we didn't get hit is because we watched the Marshall and he indicated that it was coming our way....
Rory should have called but in reality it wouldn't have made a difference
Thor
Club Champion
The mistake was made by Rory in not shouting but there's no way the guy or any people in the area would have had any idea where any of those drives were going. The shot may have had fatal consequences but not him keeping quiet because nobody in the landing area would have heard him shout.
Slicer30
Q-School Graduate
I think he should have shouted, even if its pointless at least look to be warning people.
On a side note - I was listening to the coverage on 5 live as I was driving back from Essex. Mark Roe commented that he knows how both player and spectator felt as he had hit someone while playing.
He had also been struck in the head by a wayward tee and the ball was found 40 yds from him. By all accounts, Rory's ball landed 15-20 ft from the spectator today. Rory has a fair old Drive on him, lets say 280-300 (guess).
So the person who hit Mark Roe must have easily carried 400 yds to get that much of a Rick O'shea!
Maybe TimGolfy or some other Dunlop Driver welding Forumer ?
On a side note - I was listening to the coverage on 5 live as I was driving back from Essex. Mark Roe commented that he knows how both player and spectator felt as he had hit someone while playing.
He had also been struck in the head by a wayward tee and the ball was found 40 yds from him. By all accounts, Rory's ball landed 15-20 ft from the spectator today. Rory has a fair old Drive on him, lets say 280-300 (guess).
So the person who hit Mark Roe must have easily carried 400 yds to get that much of a Rick O'shea!
Maybe TimGolfy or some other Dunlop Driver welding Forumer ?
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I don't buy into this argument that spectators won't hear a shout. I go to Wentworth every year and hear plenty of shouts. You get a mexican wave effect of other people shouting it gets passed down the line to the landing area. If I hear a shout for a ball heading in my direction, I turn away and bend down with my hands over my head, worst case I'll get a thump in the back which is a whole lot better than being hit on the head or face.
My view is that pros don't shout because they think they are less likely to end up in trouble if the ball lands in the crowd rather than bound through into deeper trouble. Rory knew there was OOB where his ball was heading, his caddy aint the brightest on tour but I'm pretty sure he would have made him aware of it on the tee. He probably saw where his ball was heading and hoped for a ricochet back into play.
My view is that pros don't shout because they think they are less likely to end up in trouble if the ball lands in the crowd rather than bound through into deeper trouble. Rory knew there was OOB where his ball was heading, his caddy aint the brightest on tour but I'm pretty sure he would have made him aware of it on the tee. He probably saw where his ball was heading and hoped for a ricochet back into play.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
I think that does happen and it's wrong. I don't believe it's what happened here.
This is quoted from a tweet by Iain Carter:
I believe him, others will probably think he's lying.
Anyway, think I'll leave it at that.
Simple really - if in doubt shout. Players and caddies have a responsibility and it needs to become a mandatory requirement. Of course it wont stop spectators getting hit but some warning has to be better than none
Deke
Journeyman Pro
Exactly,I couldn't have said it better myself !
leaney
Challenge Tour Pro
Serves Rory right!
Largsgolf1974
Assistant Pro
Be different in America mind you, no point in shouting as no one would hear it over the "get in the hole" screaming on a par 5
D
Deleted Member 1156
Guest
FD
I wasn't having a go at you over this, it just really winds me up when people are too lazy/ignorant/arrogant to do something as simple as shout fore. Golf balls can be so dangerous and I've been on the wrong end of a few near misses recently.
Thor
Club Champion
Tree lined Wentworth isn't a wide open links and from what I could see there weren't too many spectators between the tee and the injured guy.
Many people think that the pros use the gallery as a buffer and maybe with some justification as most pros do keep very quiet on the tee.
Only Rory and his "dumb" caddy know the truth in this case but maybe you have some psychic insight!!
Many people think that the pros use the gallery as a buffer and maybe with some justification as most pros do keep very quiet on the tee.
Only Rory and his "dumb" caddy know the truth in this case but maybe you have some psychic insight!!
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Snelly
Guest
This is another very exasperating thread.
Let me simplify things for those that think Rory is not at fault here.
1. You hit your drive
2. It is off line.
3. There may be people there - irrelevant whether it is golfers, spectators, they can can hear, they can't hear, marshalls are there, they should be aware, blind shot etc etc.
4. You call fore. If the odds are hundreds to one, you still do it. It is part of the game.
5. End of story.
So if you are at the world's biggest tournament and your drive looks like it is going for the cabbage, as a precaution, you shout fore. It is as simple as that. People may be there, odds are they are as there are hundreds of thousands of spectators. They may not hear you but that doesn't really matter. At least you did the right thing. You did the honourable thing. You shouted fore. Like the golfers long dead who played the game before you did.
If you disagree with this, then you are a muppet. Either that or you are pretty new to golf and fail to understand the importance of maintaining standards and upholding etiquette.
Rory version:
1. Hit bad drive
2. Sulk
3. Ignore the fact that someone might be there.
4. Sulk and worry about the ball until it is found
5. Find injured spectator and sign a glove to pacify them
6. Hit shot after good lie provided from dead bounce off spectator's skull.
7. Walk on and don't give a toss.
The more I see of McIlroy, the less I like him. This is another example. He is more like Tiger than he is Seve.
His only salvation is that it clearly isn't easy as blatantly immature individual, growing up in the public eye.
Let me simplify things for those that think Rory is not at fault here.
1. You hit your drive
2. It is off line.
3. There may be people there - irrelevant whether it is golfers, spectators, they can can hear, they can't hear, marshalls are there, they should be aware, blind shot etc etc.
4. You call fore. If the odds are hundreds to one, you still do it. It is part of the game.
5. End of story.
So if you are at the world's biggest tournament and your drive looks like it is going for the cabbage, as a precaution, you shout fore. It is as simple as that. People may be there, odds are they are as there are hundreds of thousands of spectators. They may not hear you but that doesn't really matter. At least you did the right thing. You did the honourable thing. You shouted fore. Like the golfers long dead who played the game before you did.
If you disagree with this, then you are a muppet. Either that or you are pretty new to golf and fail to understand the importance of maintaining standards and upholding etiquette.
Rory version:
1. Hit bad drive
2. Sulk
3. Ignore the fact that someone might be there.
4. Sulk and worry about the ball until it is found
5. Find injured spectator and sign a glove to pacify them
6. Hit shot after good lie provided from dead bounce off spectator's skull.
7. Walk on and don't give a toss.
The more I see of McIlroy, the less I like him. This is another example. He is more like Tiger than he is Seve.
His only salvation is that it clearly isn't easy as blatantly immature individual, growing up in the public eye.
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Val
Ryder Cup Winner
This thread is mental, i dont think anyone said Rory wasn't at fault.
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Snelly
Guest
Then I will clarify. I am aiming my previous post at those who think that Rory's attitude or behaviour is excusable or can be condoned on any level due to circumstance.
I am saying it simply is not excusable and cannot be condoned.
