Do nice guys win?

Out of curiosity, what's the definition of "nice" used here?

In the context of competition stroke play golf, what would be examples of someone being nice, and someone not being nice?
Really it just seems like we're talking about whether they chat to their fellow competitor or just keep it quiet.
 
Really it just seems like we're talking about whether they chat to their fellow competitor or just keep it quiet.

Exactly, and that's why I asked, my opinion on whether someone is nice is not usually based on whether they chat or not during a competitive event, it seems like a strange definition.

It's almost like taking a rugby player whose hobbies are helping old ladies cross the road, rescuing cats stuck from trees, and volunteering for charity, but then saying the guy is not nice because in a game he hit you with a rib crunching tackle. Context matters.
 
Out of curiosity, what's the definition of "nice" used here?
OK, how about would you want to spend 4 hours in that person's company.

As an example, a few years ago there was a big rise in the popularity of mid am events. I used to play a lot of scratch stuff and moved to mid am. Got fed up spending 8 hours in a 36 hole hole event with a snotty kid up his own arse not saying a word. Mid am stuff was much better, still high level but way more enjoyable as people interacted.
 
OK, how about would you want to spend 4 hours in that person's company.

As an example, a few years ago there was a big rise in the popularity of mid am events. I used to play a lot of scratch stuff and moved to mid am. Got fed up spending 8 hours in a 36 hole hole event with a snotty kid up his own arse not saying a word. Mid am stuff was much better, still high level but way more enjoyable as people interacted.
I had that in our club champs. We ended up as a 2 ball in a field of 3 balls and I was drawn with these guy playing off around 13. Had no chance in the gross event. We were waiting on every shot so I wandered over on the 2nd to talk about disability swimming which he was a big influencer in. "don't talk t me I'm in the zone" Longest round of my life. I didn't play well but by the 12th didn't want to be out there
 
Adding a bit of balance here, when Rose came onto the tee box neither player spoke to one another other than to greet each other and to shake hands. The next time they spoke was after Rory's winning putt. It really is a nothing story, other than BDC trying to get a bit of publicity.
 
Adding a bit of balance here, when Rose came onto the tee box neither player spoke to one another other than to greet each other and to shake hands. The next time they spoke was after Rory's winning putt. It really is a nothing story, other than BDC trying to get a bit of publicity.
Nobody is trying to make it a story. Lots of guys play in their own little world. I'm just posing the question can outgoing chatty guys still have the mental strength to win big or do you need to clam up and shut everything out. It's not a difficult question.
 
Somewhere on another forum people are complaining about these guys who constantly tried to chat to them during a round of competitive golf, when they just wanted to be quiet and do their own thing. Facetiousness aside, being quiet doesn't make someone not nice, when I'm doing something more competitive, or serious (to me) I tend to be more quiet too. It's nothing personal, some of us are more outgoing, and some of us less so. If someone is very outgoing, and they try to "force" someone who isn't to be more so, doesn't that make them not nice?

If someone behaved like that at a dinner party, casual round or another social setting I'd get it, but in a competitive event, that's just normal.

This is before we consider that in the case of the Masters we are talking about a competitive event that is also someone's job!
 
Adding a bit of balance here, when Rose came onto the tee box neither player spoke to one another other than to greet each other and to shake hands. The next time they spoke was after Rory's winning putt. It really is a nothing story, other than BDC trying to get a bit of publicity.

I think it’s also a bit of click baiting

The full interview gives a bit more context to the comment - standalone is sounds like a moan
 
Adding a bit of balance here, when Rose came onto the tee box neither player spoke to one another other than to greet each other and to shake hands. The next time they spoke was after Rory's winning putt. It really is a nothing story, other than BDC trying to get a bit of publicity.

Yet Bryson isn't even trying to get publicity.. it's his interview out of context

Media making something of nothing and people falling for it.
 
We're all different, on and off the golf course.

I apologise to anyone on here I've played with, who doesn't like lots of chat!!! 😁😁

I've got a buddy who is chatty on social rounds, says virtually nothing in a comp round!

It's not worth someone having a hissy for Insta hits!

It is true we are all different, some players love silence throughout where as I'm quite happy for people to talk throughout the round , even when I'm swinging.. providing it's not a sudden bang it's making bugger all difference to the outcome
 
Nobody is trying to make it a story. Lots of guys play in their own little world. I'm just posing the question can outgoing chatty guys still have the mental strength to win big or do you need to clam up and shut everything out. It's not a difficult question.

A few years ago I played in the week-long Tassie at Carnoustie and got into the knockouts and won some dosh (H-Cap comp mind, not the scratch Tassie)

I learnt a bit about matchplay and my own golf preferences in that week….i came across a number of people who were silent in the round, and I played the best round I think of my life when silent (due to my opponent making it clear he wouldn’t talk at all) — we played the last few holes socially as I’d won with about 6 holes to play and he was very pleasant company and seemingly a real gentleman. But after the 1st tee handshake he hadn’t said a word and closed down my two initial polite questions

My next opponent I lost to, on the 18th, and he was constantly talking and asking questions throughout the round when I was about to address the ball am convinced he was either doing it deliberately or that was his nature…

I learnt that I play best when relaxed.
Either that is solo, or golf with friends, or if it is competition golf with strangers I prefer relative silence

I don’t play well in matches or a medal whilst making small talk and ‘getting to know’ someone

But my standard is hardly life or death. And it’s a hobby and a weekend pastime, so what does it matter how well I play really!
 
In all honesty, how many winners in golf do people deem as not nice. And what acts from them do you use to define them as not nice, as most of us are less than perfect 100% of the time.

An extra marital affair would rule some golfers out, like Woods. Although there are plenty of occasions he seems like a perfectly affable chap. He just is in the zone when he is golfing, and like many will get angry when he messes up.

There are plenty of golfers who have irritating habits, and I'm sure that might put them in the not nice category to some. I know a lot of people might look at Monty that way, get on plenty of occasions he seems like a thoroughly jovial and chatty chap.

And if you are comparing golfers to everyone in society, rather than just other golfers, then they might rank quite highly on the niceness scale. I can think of many truly horrible people in society, and in some other sports, that make nearly all golfers look like angels
 
You're right, it has turned into a McIlroy love/hate thread and unfortunately that wasn't the intention. McIlroy (recently), Woods, Faldo etc have all won Majors by being single minded but I was looking for examples of nice guys chatting their way round to victory as well. Maybe Ben Crenshaw, Darren Clarke, Arnie, Els were examples, I'm not sure. I just asked the question. Can you win majors being 'nice'?
Would need to watch the reruns but how about Rory's earlier majors?
I seem to recall him being a bit of a chatterbox, and people were mentioning him being different last week - game face, focused.
Maybe Daly also.
 
I learnt a bit about matchplay and my own golf preferences in that week….i came across a number of people who were silent in the round, and I played the best round I think of my life when silent (due to my opponent making it clear he wouldn’t talk at all) — we played the last few holes socially as I’d won with about 6 holes to play and he was very pleasant company and seemingly a real gentleman. But after the 1st tee handshake he hadn’t said a word and closed down my two initial polite questions

That’s pretty much the definition of why the original question was phrased confusingly. Being an affable gentleman with your opponent when you’ve just had a spanking in a (semi)serious competition is the absolute definition of a ‘nice guy’ to me. Whether you like to be a chatterbox during your comp round is not really correlated with ‘niceness’ at all. I’m quite content playing golf without chat (enjoy solo golf as well as group) so no problem at all if PP wants to do that. I’d say that makes me a nicer guy than someone who has a need for an unwanted conversation or takes umbrage at the lack of one 😜.
 
There's the story about where Nicklaus went up to Trevino and said,

“Lee, I do not feel like talking much today” … to which Lee replied,

That's OK Jack, you don't need to talk, just listen.

I have lots of experience of this. My wife doesn't play golf, so these days the only time I actually get to speak is on the golf course.
 
Nobody is trying to make it a story. Lots of guys play in their own little world. I'm just posing the question can outgoing chatty guys still have the mental strength to win big or do you need to clam up and shut everything out. It's not a difficult question.
Lee Trevino did ok.

There’s a fine line to chatty or none at all.

If I went in the bar and sat at a table with a stranger for four hours I’m sure we would have a chat.

But let’s not forget it’s their job and they are at work.!
 
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