Serves you right Rory????

[smange]

Cant believe there are people defending his choice not to shout Fore

Im sorry but your completely out of order and I hope im never on the same course as you if you think its OK not to warn others in the vicinity if you hit a wayward shot, no matter whether it 5 yards or 50 yards offline.

Imagine te forum meltdown if Tiger had done it

 

[stevelev]

From the R&A website / rules explorer

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Etiquette/Consideration-for-Others.aspx

If your ball's heading in a direction where there is a danger of it hitting someone, shout a warning immediately.The traditional word of warning is “fore”.

Pretty easy to read and understand. Does anybody reading that think it is acceptable to NOT SHOUT FORE if your ball's heading in a direction where there is a danger of it hitting someone?? TBH if you think it is acceptable you should really think how you would feel if you were on an adjacent fairway when a player in another failed to shout fore and his ball smashed your face made you blind. Would you still say oh well it wasn't his fault.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Are you genuinely naive enough to think that Rory doesn't know the layout of the hole? He will have played it several times this week, walked it, seen where the ropes are etc etc. The preparation that these top pros go through is meticulous. How can you seriously defend his decision not to shout fore when there is a chance that someone could have been seriously injured?

<deep sigh>

I've played my own course many times but can still misjudge the flight of a miss hit shot.

He SHOULD have shouted I'm not disputing that, just trying to understand why he didn't, why he thought he "didn't need to shout", rather than join the Rory-bashing.

Lets just agree to disagree.

 

[Thor]

I was at the Irish Open a few weeks ago when McIlroy was playing the 17th on Sunday. He drove his ball roughly level with where we were standing. His playing partner then drove and the ball rolled 20-30yds past McIlroys....some drive we thought.
It turns out that his ball bounced off the head of a spectator some 20yds closer to the tee than us then bounded on down the fairway. Nobody was aware of what had happened at the time until the medics arrived.
My point is that at 300yds from the tee spectators cannot hear shouts of fore....the only indicator of a wayward ball is via the marshalls arms at the rear of the tee.
McIlroy as stated was playing a slight dogleg and his vision was probably obscured but he certainly should have done the proper thing and shouted no matter how pointless this would be.
To say the ball deserved to go OB is ridiculous as it was landing on the spectator rope and would have been a long way from OB if the unfortunate guy's head hadn't intervened.
Methinks some of our posters have issues with Mr.McIlroy and are just looking for an opportunity to knock the guy. Would the topic have been raised if Lee or Luke had been the culprit?
He recovered well and I hope he lifts the Jug on Sunday

 

[richart]

Not sure it was narrowly missing the fairway. Even if it hadn't hit the man on the head the drive was heading close to the out of bounds.

Considering how many people are on the tees in professional competitions, players, caddies, marshalls etc, it always amazes me that none of them shout fore. If I play with someone who doesn't shout, I instinctively shout for them.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Im sorry but your completely out of order and I hope im never on the same course as you if you think its OK not to warn others in the vicinity if you hit a wayward shot, no matter whether it 5 yards or 50 yards offline.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think it's OK not to shout fore. OF COURSE I DON'T!!!!!

 

[Val]

Cant believe there are people defending his choice not to shout Fore

Im sorry but your completely out of order and I hope im never on the same course as you if you think its OK not to warn others in the vicinity if you hit a wayward shot, no matter whether it 5 yards or 50 yards offline.

Imagine te forum meltdown if Tiger had done it

Tiger has done it too.

I'm not defending him at all I'm merely pointing out that he's not the firsts and won't be the last. He probably wasn't the first today to hit an errant shot and not shout.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

<deep sigh>

I've played my own course many times but can still misjudge the flight of a miss hit shot.

He SHOULD have shouted I'm not disputing that, just trying to understand why he didn't, why he thought he "didn't need to shout", rather than join the Rory-bashing.

Lets just agree to disagree.

Sorry but Rory deserves every bashing he gets over this. That young lad has a head injury, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that he could wake up in the morning with a brain hemorrhage. As stated by several people in this thread, it is inexcusable not to shout fore if there is any doubt whatsoever.

And those that are saying it's OK, I hope you never turn up at my place for a game.

 

[palindromicbob]

This thread smells like it's angling at an out and out attack on Rory (and I made my feelings about him clear a while ago). If you are going to attack him for not shouting then get ready to type the majority of the field. I gaurantee very few of them are shouting four on wayward shots.

I think the point re: pro behaviour influencing amature game is the real valid one here. That's the main reason they should shout and the only major benifit likely to occur.



The problem is that a pro shouting fore doesn't automatically erect a barrier for the spectators and a serious injury is still going to happen. As pointed out by others. The distances involved are usually to large for the shout to carry well enough and from what I witnessed of spectators in Portrush far too many of them don't pay attention or listen to the marhsalls beside them, never mind someone shouting 300 yards away. Lots didn't even seem to care much about the actual golf, they just wanted to see a few celebs.

 

[drawboy]

Let's be honest here, no one tee's it up to hit it 40 yrds off line and hit a spectator. These guys are trying to win the best major in golf. So with that in mind lets cut the hysteria and get to the facts. When you buy a ticket to watch someone hit a "stone" up a field then sometimes even the very best in the world are going to hit it off line. That has to be exepted and the risk is yours when you stand on the edge of a fairway. Shouting 'Fore' well yes, it should be second nature regardless of how disappointed you are in your shot, common courtesy demands you warn anyone who could be struck with the ball. I'm a little in both camps here. Yes you take the risk, but that risk is lessened by having considerate players who realise that someone could be injured. It's no one's fault but it could have been avoided with a little thought.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Sorry but Rory deserves every bashing he gets over this. That young lad has a head injury, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that he could wake up in the morning with a brain hemorrhage. As stated by several people in this thread, it is inexcusable not to shout fore if there is any doubt whatsoever.

And those that are saying it's OK, I hope you never turn up at my place for a game.

How exasperating. It's not OK, but it is understandable.

I give up.

 

[Deke]

I think if there is even the slightest chance of hitting somebody(easy at a busy major) then you should shout fore.Even if they don't hear you it shows at least some effort to warn them and accept responsibility.If you don't hit anybody you hardly look a fool,if you do,well at least you tried.If Rory didn't think his shot was going to hit the poor lad,or even veer off course if he couldn't see,maybe he should have shouted regardless? He would have looked like he gave a damn either way no? I have nothing against Rory,but ANY golfer who does not do this is being irresponsible.

 

[palindromicbob]

When James Gordon shouted fore Anothy Phee, on hearing the shout, looked up and lost and eye.

Not saying don't shout, just saying it doesn't alway work and it definately doesn't mean you are no longer legally responsible. :mmm:

 

[smange]

Tiger has done it too.

I'm not defending him at all I'm merely pointing out that he's not the firsts and won't be the last. He probably wasn't the first today to hit an errant shot and not shout.

I dare say he wasnt the first and only one to do it today Valentino and they all should be ashamed of themselves

Us amateurs are fit to shout Fore when there is 1 or 2 people in the area the ball is heading never mind thousands. No excuses at all.

 

[jammag]

Dont get me wrong I like McIlroy how ever I find it very interesting to see how different players get thought of in different ways no matter what they do. I havent actually seen the incident today so dont know how far off course it was how close the spectator was etc etc.

What I think is that if it was someone else say for example Tiger then there would be hell to pay for and he would need to buck up his ideas, what an excuse for a gentleman he is, take your pick from the list he would of been called.

I cant accept the calls of voices dont travel 300 yards because I can shout and the person 5 holes away heres what I have shouted. I think that if there was 4 or 5 shouts of FORE then it only takes 1 person in the clan of spectators to hear this and they take action and people very close will probably do the same.

Taking away from the fact it was Rory and he is probably the most loved golfer in the world at the moment. Now if this was the golfer you dislike the most, take your pick, and the incident happens where you can hear the ping off the golf club from where youre standing and you have your young son/daughter standing next to you or even your old man, you lose track of the ball and hear no shout so stand looking for the ball on the fairway and whack it cleans up your family member.

How would you honestly react? I would be very angry that someone has been hurt close to me. I would hate the fact if the golfer in question just offered a glove.

I feel its very easy to shrug it off when it doesnt affect you personally and its happened to someone else, but put yourself in the situation of taking a close family member to hospital that day for the sake of not hearing fore so you didnt take avoiding action?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

FD

In post #28 you said lighten up. Would you have said that if the lad had been killed (which could have easily happened)?

 

[USER1999]

Earlier on, Sergio had a shot down a corridor of spectators, of whom probably 50 odd were in danger in the first 30 yards. He hit it over som of their heads. a bit of a hint of hozel, and some one could have died. But, they elected to stand there. Would it be sergios fault? Legally, probably yes. Would a shout make a difference? Probably no time, and legally not. Spectators need to be aware, alert, and take some responsibility.

A shout would be good, but from 300 yards, is not really going to do much good.

 

[thecraw]

So if you hit a shot that's narrowly missing the fairway you'd shout fore? You do that every time do you?

He misjudged it and made a mistake.

Its a mistake that can have fatal consequences. If you misjudge breaking distance and lose control of your car for a second, mount a kerb and hit someone is it ok because you made a mistake????

 

[thecraw]

I think if there is even the slightest chance of hitting somebody(easy at a busy major) then you should shout fore.Even if they don't hear you it shows at least some effort to warn them and accept responsibility.If you don't hit anybody you hardly look a fool,if you do,well at least you tried.If Rory didn't think his shot was going to hit the poor lad,or even veer off course if he couldn't see,maybe he should have shouted regardless? He would have looked like he gave a damn either way no? I have nothing against Rory,but ANY golfer who does not do this is being irresponsible.

Its just ignorance and arrogance that stops these players from warning the crowd.

 

[palindromicbob]

You know the problem with this thread is the inflamatory title. Had it been, "Pro's should shout fore" I'm pretty sure we all would have responsed with yes they should. Because it has been called "Serves you right Rory" it's stirred up a storm. Well played OP, well played.