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I think the story from this, if it is proven to have been an HMRC error, is that there could be a whole new can of worms opened about the impact that the "error" had on viable sale-ability of the club at the time.
A club with a £20m tax bill (regardless of how said tax bill came about) is a very different proposition to one with a £70m one hanging over it.

If this does (and I say if, as there will be some way to run on this) come out as a proven error then there could be litigation against HMRC for potentially causing the false devaluation of saleable assets and harming the legitimate opportunity for a business to continue trading.
This is withstanding anyone's feelings on how the business got in to the situation in the first place. I would expect all clubs that have used EBTs and tax avoidance loop-holes to be held to account in very least if that is the standard of integrity we demand. I doubt there would be many left operating. My own club went through a period of turmoil where money was being spent that was beyond means and there was [apparent] lack of transparency of where funds were being found.

I am no fan of either of the bigot brothers and in some way hope that this is not an error. But equally, I have no great love of HMRC and their "we know best" attitude when I personally have felt the impact of their "accuracy" and their persecution of small business operators as we are the easy targets, so equally (and personally) I would like to see them get some comeuppance in a very public way.
 

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Haha, yeah, HMRC would say that. They told me that I was owe them £36,000 in unpaid taxes and that they "hadn't miscalculated anything"... 2 years and thousands of pounds in court fees later, turned out they owed me £1800...

I take HMRC's "calculations" with, not just a pinch but the whole cellar of salt, having been personally affected by their "proficiency with numbers"....

But as before, I don't like either of the ugly sisters so would love for something like this to befall them both.
 

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Haha, yeah, HMRC would say that. They told me that I was owe them £36,000 in unpaid taxes and that they "hadn't miscalculated anything"... 2 years and thousands of pounds in court fees later, turned out they owed me £1800...

I take HMRC's "calculations" with, not just a pinch but the whole cellar of salt, having been personally affected by their "proficiency with numbers"....

But as before, I don't like either of the ugly sisters so would love for something like this to befall them both.

I'm not trying to prove anything or on anyone's side. Someone asked a question with a link to the story, IMO it's a non-story and I've explained why above. It seems to be becoming accepted as a "fact" in certain quarters that the bill was wrong. There is no evidence to support this 5 month old claim so not sure why it's suddenly come out now. Above is HMRC's position, not mines.

As for HMRC, I am no fan of them. I have been royally screwed by them over the past 4 years and it's about to get a whole lot worse for me come April 2020 due to their latest ridiculous rules and regs coming into force, so you won't find any I Heart HMRC t-shirts in my wardrobe.
 

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I'm not trying to prove anything or on anyone's side. Someone asked a question with a link to the story, IMO it's a non-story and I've explained why above. It seems to be becoming accepted as a "fact" in certain quarters that the bill was wrong. There is no evidence to support this 5 month old claim so not sure why it's suddenly come out now. Above is HMRC's position, not mines.

As for HMRC, I am no fan of them. I have been royally screwed by them over the past 4 years and it's about to get a whole lot worse for me come April 2020 due to their latest ridiculous rules and regs coming into force, so you won't find any I Heart HMRC t-shirts in my wardrobe.

IR35? You and me both. Stupid and ill thought out!
 

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IR35? You and me both. Stupid and ill thought out!

Aye, as if they've not screwed me enough over the last 4 years. It's a complete nonsense.

As a P.S. on the Rangers tax bill, remember that has been to court and tested to destruction and that was the bill at the end of it that the court was happy with, not just HMRC.
 

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Yep, it's a farce considering Corp tax, VAT and personal tax amounting to more than most will pay in PAYE in a year.

I don't disagree on the Rangers case, I just have an inherent mistrust of HMRC (and DVLA while we are here :)). Without knowing what they took to court and argued over, the case may have been favourable of owing, not what was owed.
In my £36k bill, I initially disputed it, HMRC took it to court and the court ruled I owed tax, not how much. So I decided to fight it further and eventually won in the end. But it took it's toll.
 

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I effin' love John McGinn. 100% every game. We've had plenty of those in the past but this one's got the ability as well. £3 million? Steal of the century if you ask me.
 

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I effin' love John McGinn. 100% every game. We've had plenty of those in the past but this one's got the ability as well. £3 million? Steal of the century if you ask me.
Where are we going this time, were on our way with Stevie's army lol, a crackin old song , " when they begin with mc'ginn":love:
 
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We're going nowhere, unfortunately. Not sure we'll get anywhere with the playoffs. We have a few really good players. Just need two decent centre backs, and Leigh Griffiths back and I think we'd be well on our way.
 

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We're going nowhere, unfortunately. Not sure we'll get anywhere with the playoffs. We have a few really good players. Just need two decent centre backs, and Leigh Griffiths back and I think we'd be well on our way.
As Annie Lennox sang , Sweet dreams are made of this..
How's things mate ? .
 

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😂 if only. Things are good. Not playing as much golf as I'd like and Scotland are mince but finding more distractions to take my mind off those two problems.
 

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Dreadful again. Palmer and Jack played well. McGinn as always was our best player, closely followed by Christie.

Clarke needs to settle on a central defensive pairing, this chopping and changing isn't helping anyone.
 

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Dreadful again. Palmer and Jack played well. McGinn as always was our best player, closely followed by Christie.

Clarke needs to settle on a central defensive pairing, this chopping and changing isn't helping anyone.

I'm beginning to think the guy doesn't have a clue. Hampden is too wide for us to play 4 at the back. By playing 4 you're automatically nullifying the impact of one of the best attacking full backs in the world.
Let him roam forward with some cover. I know he wasn't playing but going forward it's the only way. Tierney on the right and see how that goes. Three dodgy centre backs are surely better than two.
 
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