Scorecard responsibility

[doublebogey7]

3.3b. Scoring in Stroke Play
When the round has ended:
The marker must certify the hole scores on the scorecard.

How can 'certification' work without identification

As with the EG app, you are asked to attest the score electronically, that puts an electronic marker from you against the score. Way more reliable as evidence of certification than a squiggle on a scorecard or a touch screen.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Practical issue with that is Certification has to have some shelf life, so a third party can use it.

As said above. Folk have been dq'd for years for unsigned cards.

When you input a card in EG there is no verification signature- the person attesting the card doesn’t sign anything

 

[Swango1980]

When you input a card in EG there is no verification signature- the person attesting the card doesn’t sign anything

Nor is MyEG having to rely on verbal verification

 

[PaulMdj]

When you input a card in EG there is no verification signature- the person attesting the card doesn’t sign anything

I’m sure on the EG App, you sign the screen then send the card to the attester who also has to sign the screen on his phone to say it is correct.

Apologies if this has chsnged, but that’s how it worked in the summer

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Nor is MyEG having to rely on verbal verification

so there is no definitive “verification” - it can be a multitude of different ways

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I’m sure on the EG App, you sign the screen then send the card to the attester who also has to sign the screen on his phone to say it is correct.

Apologies if this has chsnged, but that’s how it worked in the summer

The attested just hits the approve button

 

[PaulMdj]

The attested just hits the approve button

I’m sure he signs in a box. Or did.
This is what the userguide shows. Has it changed?

 

[Colin L]

A reminder that a signature as such is not required by the rules: the requirement is that the scores are certified.

 

[Swango1980]

so there is no definitive “verification” - it can be a multitude of different ways

Not verbal verification. Not once have I ever heard that to be acceptable, from a Rules perspective

 

[Steven Rules]

The definition of scorecard requires that the marker and the player must certify the scores either by physical signature or by a method of electronic certification approved by the Committee.

It follows, then, that if physical signatures are not used, then there must be an approved (by the Committee) method of electronic certification by both the marker and the player. Verbal certification by either party would not meet the requirement.

 

[jim8flog]

When you input a card in EG there is no verification signature- the person attesting the card doesn’t sign anything

yes but EG is not used for comps so rules for DQ do not apply.

 

[jim8flog]

I’m sure he signs in a box. Or did.
This is what the userguide shows. Has it changed?
View attachment 55409

Most of the guys I play with in a swindle use EG for a GP card. We just have to name the attester and they get a message on their phone to confirm the score.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

yes but EG is not used for comps so rules for DQ do not apply.

IG is used for comps and when inputting the scorecard there is no signature required

 

[PaulMdj]

Most of the guys I play with in a swindle use EG for a GP card. We just have to name the attester and they get a message on their phone to confirm the score.

You have to name the attester and when the attester receives the message there is a box to sign and an approve button by them.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I’m sure he signs in a box. Or did.
This is what the userguide shows. Has it changed?
View attachment 55409

Don’t believe it’s there anymore and tbh I can’t ever recall seeing it when whenever I have approved a score

 

[woofers]

Don’t believe it’s there anymore and tbh I can’t ever recall seeing it when whenever I have approved a score

It’s not there, I’ve attested a score this afternoon on the EG App, just a message showing the scores by hole and total with an option to approve or reject.

 

[doublebogey7]

You have to name the attester and when the attester receives the message there is a box to sign and an approve button by them.

That is not how the EG app works and committee's do not in any case have anyway of checking those signatures. The fact that a member has attested the score via a password protected personnal account is sufficient. In any case the signature does not appear on the EG portal for administrators so cannot be checked.

 

[PaulMdj]

That is not how the EG app works and committee's do not in any case have anyway of checking those signatures. The fact that a member has attested the score via a password protected personnal account is sufficient. In any case the signature does not appear on the EG portal for administrators so cannot be checked.

Cheers, it was definitely there in July, hence why I asked if it had been removed in an update.

 

[wjemather]

That is not how the EG app works and committee's do not in any case have anyway of checking those signatures. The fact that a member has attested the score via a password protected personnal account is sufficient. In any case the signature does not appear on the EG portal for administrators so cannot be checked.

Player's signature and attester details are shown on the WHS admin platform, which handicap committees (should) have access to.

 

[doublebogey7]

Player's signature and attester details are shown on the WHS admin platform, which handicap committees (should) have access to.

But no attester signature.