Scorecard responsibility

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If a player just writes a forename on a scorecard not the surname can they be DQ?

There is a term of competition in place to say surname must be included.

However I can only see that the responsibility for name on card is the committee but for this comp labels weren’t available and players, as is often the case, filled in the details themselves.

If it is a DQ, then can you point me to the rule.

Thanks.
 
If a player just writes a forename on a scorecard not the surname can they be DQ?

There is a term of competition in place to say surname must be included.

However I can only see that the responsibility for name on card is the committee but for this comp labels weren’t available and players, as is often the case, filled in the details themselves.

If it is a DQ, then can you point me to the rule.

Thanks.
No rule to point to. It is clear from the diagram for 3.3b that it is the Committee's responsibility to put names on cards. Obviously if there is a failure to do so, it is in the players interests to put his name on the card but no penalty if he doesn't. You can't use the Terms of the Competition to impose a golfing penalty on failing to do something that is not required by the Rules.
 
No rule to point to. It is clear from the diagram for 3.3b that it is the Committee's responsibility to put names on cards. Obviously if there is a failure to do so, it is in the players interests to put his name on the card but no penalty if he doesn't. You can't use the Terms of the Competition to impose a golfing penalty on failing to do something that is not required by the Rules.
Thanks that is what I thought but if I simply put a card in the box with no name at all, that is acceptable?
Not having scorecards written out for competitors is fairly normal, but what is a Committee to do with cards with no names?
 
If the signature on the card was distinct enough to identify the player, I'd ask the player to check & confirm it was their card. Otherwise I'd put it in the round filing cabinet.
 
I can only see the diagram in the rules defining committee and player responsibilities - is this covered in words elsewhere?
 
I can only see the diagram in the rules defining committee and player responsibilities - is this covered in words elsewhere?
The diagram says it all, really, but the rule it illustrates is explicit.. 3.3b(2) Player’s Responsibility: Certifying Hole Scores and Returning Scorecard.
states in the title the only two actions required of the player. These two "musts" are made clear in the text: he must make sure the hole scores entered by the marker are certified by his marker and himself; and he must return the scorecard.

Where the Terms of the Competition state that the player must put their name on their card, only a club disciplinary sanction would be allowable, not a golfing penalty (that is, penalty stroke(s) or DQ. Clarification 3.3b(2)/1 gives you the principle to support that but also points out the possibility of a penalty if the matter were covered in a Code of Conduct.
 
The diagram says it all, really, but the rule it illustrates is explicit.. 3.3b(2) Player’s Responsibility: Certifying Hole Scores and Returning Scorecard.
states in the title the only two actions required of the player. These two "musts" are made clear in the text: he must make sure the hole scores entered by the marker are certified by his marker and himself; and he must return the scorecard.

Where the Terms of the Competition state that the player must put their name on their card, only a club disciplinary sanction would be allowable, not a golfing penalty (that is, penalty stroke(s) or DQ. Clarification 3.3b(2)/1 gives you the principle to support that but also points out the possibility of a penalty if the matter were covered in a Code of Conduct.
Thank you, that is clear to me now.
 
One of our organisers has resigned from doing the job after being told the rule and it happening on quite a few occasions.
A lot of work as to go in to finding out who the player is.

We have label printers for the cards, simple process to press a tab when signing in on the PSI screen but it is amazing how many do not use it.
 
Can't you figure out whose card it is by their exact handicap index being on there as well? Unless you've got two 'Dave 12.5s'.
 
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Our Pro shop sort out the cards for us

We gave them a label machine which prints off all the labels and then they are just added to the card either before hand or when someone goes to pick up their card
 
Our Pro Shop/Player Services staff still manually write out all comp cards. (even marking the stroke holes for each player if its a stableford comp)
Players pick up their cards when they register

Even a local club that used to print it out (& print player name onto the front of each scorecard) has reverted to pen, dunno why
 
Slightly off OP, but can a pair in a 4BBB go out and mark their own card if there is no other pair entered. From everything I've looked at it would appear to be allowed. (Rule 3.3).

The reason I'm asking is that a pair regularly book last minute a have twice this year marked their own card.
 
Slightly off OP, but can a pair in a 4BBB go out and mark their own card if there is no other pair entered. From everything I've looked at it would appear to be allowed. (Rule 3.3).

The reason I'm asking is that a pair regularly book last minute a have twice this year marked their own card.
This has been addressed a few times on here and it is up to the committee if they allow it. At our place, the club put out a message to try and get at least 1 more player to act as marker.
 
Slightly off OP, but can a pair in a 4BBB go out and mark their own card if there is no other pair entered. From everything I've looked at it would appear to be allowed. (Rule 3.3).

The reason I'm asking is that a pair regularly book last minute a have twice this year marked their own card.
No, they cannot.

From the definition of a marker: "The marker may be another player, but not a partner." and,
Committee Procedures 5G(3): "In stroke play, a player or side always needs to have someone other than the player or a member of the side to mark the scorecard. The Committee may specify or restrict who may act as the marker for each player by specifying that the marker must be a player in the same competition and group, a player with a handicap, or in some other way.
In a format where two or more partners compete together as a side (for example, in a Foursomes or Four-Ball competition), they are not allowed to act as the side’s marker. Where there is not an even number of sides for a partner format, the Committee may need to find a marker for a side playing on its own or choose to have a group containing three sides."


In four-ball, the odd pair could also enter the competition as two pairs (with each missing a partner); they would then be able to mark each others scorecard.

For further discussion, see this thread.
 
Slightly off OP, but can a pair in a 4BBB go out and mark their own card if there is no other pair entered. From everything I've looked at it would appear to be allowed. (Rule 3.3).

The reason I'm asking is that a pair regularly book last minute a have twice this year marked their own card.
A "side" (defined term) cannot keep their own score - the marker needs to be independent of the side.
 
Quite bizarre that it isn't up to the player to put their name on the card. That seems a pretty basic job to do. I mean, why wouldn't you?

I suppose the club doing it means it (should) reflect the name as on the system & prevent Robert becoming Bob, Richard/Dick & William/Bill etc
 
I suppose the club doing it means it (should) reflect the name as on the system & prevent Robert becoming Bob, Richard/Dick & William/Bill etc
I've been at more clubs without a pro than with one. Even my current club only installed a printer by the computer this season, no pro still. I've always been used to writing out everything on a card, it's still a novelty now when I get the label printed off 😄 . The idea that it is the clubs responsibility to put my name on the card seems bizarre. I'm a big boy, I can do that. If I don't do that I would not expect the h/c sec to waste their time trying to trace me through the various cards in the box.

Saying all of the above, once you go to a computer input system I don't really see the point of needing a physical card to be handed in so the above becomes irrelevant at that point.
 
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