Rugby Thread

[MiurasFan]

I see the mordern second row as more for muscle in th breakdown as opposed to jackaling for the ball, engine in the scrum is pretty essential but can be less essential if there is excellent lineout skill. You do look for yards gained as well but this can be either through pace or power. Not so easy to define a second row now as there are some that a more a converted 6 and specialise in different skills to some out and out second row enforcers.

From my poing of view, Itoje has not played what I would call badly but he is also not the stand out he was a few years ago. The constant change of position under Jones would not have helped and hopefully training under SB will bring back up to elite level in a pretty short period of time.

Doh! I forgot the Lineout work! Though that's perhaps not so specialised.

 

[GB72]

My Father in Law will be heartbroken!

Even I'm gutted!

That stadium is such a waste of space without the Warriors.

It is not over yet, DCMS are trying to get the sale to the Atlas group blocked now that their true intentions are in the open.

 

[GB72]

Doh! I forgot the Lineout work! Though that's perhaps not so specialised.

You would be surprised, some of the units in the scrum who provide that extra power are not as great in the lineout whereas some of the lighter second row/flanker crossovers are far easier to lift and provided a better lineout jumper.

Chessum is our way foward, pretty impressive at both and will one day be joined by his younger brother (captain of the England under 20s).

 

[Bdill93]

It is not over yet, DCMS are trying to get the sale to the Atlas group blocked now that their true intentions are in the open.

Good! Its just profiteering of the collapse of our club! Shocking!

 

[MiurasFan]

You would be surprised, some of the units in the scrum who provide that extra power are not as great in the lineout whereas some of the lighter second row/flanker crossovers are far easier to lift and provided a better lineout jumper.

Chessum is our way foward, pretty impressive at both and will one day be joined by his younger brother (captain of the England under 20s).

I wouldn't mind seeing a return to 'no lifting' in lineouts - though I think I'd revert back pretty quickly. It was one of the few areas where contests for possession really happened. One of the positives about Rugby is that there's a position for virtually every body shape! Though the advantage of a hefty 2nd rower in scrums is a likely disadvantage in lineouts!

 

[GB72]

I wouldn't mind seeing a return to 'no lifting' in lineouts - though I think I'd revert back pretty quickly. It was one of the few areas where contests for possession really happened. One of the positives about Rugby is that there's a position for virtually every body shape! Though the advantage of a hefty 2nd rower in scrums is a likely disadvantage in lineouts!

That is true and there is a constant discussion over a number of positions between bulk and power against skill, speed and ability around the pitch. There are arguments for both sides in pretty much every position on the pitch aside from 9. 10 and 15. You had Tom Croft who played both second row and flanker who could out pace many wingers, you had Nadolo on the wing at Tigers who could easily play in the scrum and everything in between.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

That is true and there is a constant discussion over a number of positions between bulk and power against skill, speed and ability around the pitch. There are arguments for both sides in pretty much every position on the pitch aside from 9. 10 and 15. You had Tom Croft who played both second row and flanker who could out pace many wingers, you had Nadolo on the wing at Tigers who could easily play in the scrum and everything in between.

I think lifting at the lineout should be stopped, and also more importantly penalise for the obvious unstraight put ins at scrums. It's about time scrums were fully looked at, and if they want league type scrum gatherings where there is no competition and just a stand and shake hands moment then fine, but stop the pretence that scrums are competitive as they are.

 

[GB72]

I think lifting at the lineout should be stopped, and also more importantly penalise for the obvious unstraight put ins at scrums. It's about time scrums were fully looked at, and if they want league type scrum gatherings where there is no competition and just a stand and shake hands moment then fine, but stop the pretence that scrums are competitive as they are.

Agree to some extent. They are competitive on the drive and not the hook. Ironlically Tigers were pulled for not straight and it cost them the match recently against Ospreys despite there being worse infringements before and after. All most people want is consistency. I am not so much against lifting, it is a skill and line outs were a mess before that.

 

[WGCRider]

I think lifting at the lineout should be stopped, and also more importantly penalise for the obvious unstraight put ins at scrums. It's about time scrums were fully looked at, and if they want league type scrum gatherings where there is no competition and just a stand and shake hands moment then fine, but stop the pretence that scrums are competitive as they are.

Think you need to be careful of some unintended consequences of doing that. Making the lineout more contestable would lead to more kicking to touch (and more lineouts) cause teams would judge they have a 50/50 chance of getting the ball back. This in turn would slow the game down and lead to less rugby. It would however depower the offensive maul which is probably no bad thing.

It's the same with putting the ball in the scrum straight. The intention is to create a contest between the hookers for the ball, but what you would get is 8 pushing against 7 - so while your hooker may win the ball the defending team could disrupt your scrum to such an extent that it's poor quality ball. Now you only get poor ball from the scrum if you have a bad scrum.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Think you need to be careful of some unintended consequences of doing that. Making the lineout more contestable would lead to more kicking to touch (and more lineouts) cause teams would judge they have a 50/50 chance of getting the ball back. This in turn would slow the game down and lead to less rugby. It would however depower the offensive maul which is probably no bad thing.

It's the same with putting the ball in the scrum straight. The intention is to create a contest between the hookers for the ball, but what you would get is 8 pushing against 7 - so while your hooker may win the ball the defending team could disrupt your scrum to such an extent that it's poor quality ball. Now you only get poor ball from the scrum if you have a bad scrum.

I don't see why a straight put in at the scrum is a problem, it always was a penalty/free kick if your didn't. If avoiding contact/injury is the reason, then also allow squint throws at line out.

 

[BrianM]

Some game between Ireland and France, definitely the teams to beat.

 

[upsidedown]

Fantastic game

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Great game and win

 

[Captainron]

France v Ireland first half was amazing. Second half did show how well Ireland have come on because they can now close out games. Serious contenders. France are a strange one at the moment. Their pack has been out worked and beaten up a bit thus far.

Great win for Scotland. Patient performance which built up to a good points tally

 

[BrianM]

Finn Russell, absolutely world class performance in that second half.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Scotland Vs Ireland is shaping up to be a juicy encounter

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well that was rather good was it not…

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

After yesterday’s feast of great rugby I’m afraid I found today’s offering a bit of a let down…ok…I found it dull. But I guess Steve Borthwick will be pleased his team got an emphatic-ish win under its belt.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Bath it seems are using their own ref

 

[Val]

Big weekend ahead for Wales and Scotland for very different reasons. Heart hopes both wins, head suggests both wont