How do you distinguish those with irrefutable proof from those found guilty after a trial, where ultimately it's based on weight of evidence? How do we gauge different levels of guilty?
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Slime
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Irrefutable proof is irrefutable proof, surely that'd be enough.
AmandaJR
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A sadness rather than irritation...said farewell to a dear friend today. We were so close and tight in our 20's and then life got in the way, house moves, families etc. We kept in touch and I guess I always hoped we'd get back on track in later years. It never really happened and I so regret not taking more time to get together in recent times - especially so as she'd been living under the cloud of cancer for a few years. Life really is too short so make the effort - something I'm going to make sure I do in future.
RichA
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Mostly motormouths sitting on bar stools, I'd guess. Mostly having ignored any opportunity throughout their adult lives to serve their community or country.
4LEX
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Mistakes have become rarer due to advances in DNA, mobile data, CCTV and digital banking etc. If you planned a crime well you had a very good chance of getting away with it back in the day, that's why we're seeing a lot of old cases being cracked from the 70's and 80's and even further back.
Labour are on about getting rid of jury trials in many cases to speed things up, which will be a disaster for justice.
Bunkermagnet
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If society doesn't want to exterminate these items of human detritus then at least make incarceration as unpleasant as possible.
Nothing more than a concrete box, crudest of beds and 3 miniscule meals a day, always the same thing every day of every remaining day of their life.
In understand not wanting to make them martyrs to whatever crazy cause they think they are on, but lets at least make them suffer in existance for the remains of their life.
Lucy Letby is an interesting case. Found guilty of terrible crimes, murdering babies, yet some people think she was innocent. Where does she fit in something like this?
Voyager EMH
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1. Yes. I think Russia find state sanctioned murder simpler to operate than kangaroo courts and the death penalty.
2. Another African country of interest is Rwanda, of course.
Did away with death penalty in 2007, but they are 3rd in the world for % of population in prison.
The institutional nature of prison, the knowledge you will never be free, never be outside the walls of a prison again, I think that is punishment. It will never make up for what this person did, never, but it isn't a cake walk.
Bunkermagnet
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I think the only people who think that are her lawyers beause they are paid to.
4LEX
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The Letby case is a good example actually. Great YouTube channel CrimeScene2CourtRoom that looks into it and well worth a watch but it's hundreds of hours of stuf!
There are MPs who back her case
.chellie
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Have a cheque to pay into Nationwide. Can't do it at the post office so will have to go to another town to pay it in. Could have asked for it to be paid in direct to the account but it was such a carrot sort out I just said send a cheque.
GreiginFife
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Can you not pay in via the banking app? Thought that was fairly standard these days.
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Unfortunately nationwide don't offer it , luckily my other banks do so I just put in one of them
However does lead to an embarrassing kinda amusing but left my mortified irritation from the other day.
My grandad passed away late last year but his best friend passed away just before Xmas. We were very close he was like a second granddad to me. So at his funeral his son gave me and my sister a cheque with a beautiful note about being the grandkids he never had etc etc. beautiful
My head's been all over the shop so thought best not lose this put on the app soon as I got home then safely up high, so I can't lose it
Bank only called his son first thing next day to check that he meant to write me a cheque
Luckily we both saw the funny side but when I read his message to my mum that she had forwarded to me I was like oh my god that doesn't look at all good.
Voyager EMH
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By this I think you mean that the government is continuing to report on something that has been an on-going consideration for several decades by various Lord (or Lady) Chief Justices and senior judges no matter what party is in government.
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Death Penalty is like many things in life.
Folk base their decision on the obvious extreme cases. But the practicalities of the rest are left for someone else to manage.
Mind you, having the option on the table isn't a bad thing.
Folk base their decision on the obvious extreme cases. But the practicalities of the rest are left for someone else to manage.
Mind you, having the option on the table isn't a bad thing.
Orikoru
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Hypothetically, if ever was brought back, it would have to be something that was almost never actually used. Just as the ultimate deterrent. But then, if you're someone who murders people, perhaps you don't fear or respect death and it wouldn't be much of a deterrent at all?
It exists in some US states yet they have high murder rates. Doesn't seem much of a deterrent there.
I don't think people who commit murder seem to plan for being caught. It doesn't seem to come into their thought process, sadly.
chellie
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Nope.
