Random Irritations

[Lucifer MorningStar]

But you are happy to put details on an open forum?

Just from recent posts, we can see where you live (roughly), where you have been working, your son and his wife work for the NHS, what sort of car you drive. A half decent IT geek could use this information to gain even more information about you and your likes and dislikes. This profile could then be used to have a decent guess at some of your passwords, etc and leave you open to hacking, etc.

Reminds me of an engineer at work! Refuses to pay for anything with card, refuses to online shop and refuses when we go away to pay for things and claim them back, has no social presence either He always says “I’m not having the government track me and giving them the ability to”

Ironic when it’s that same HM Gov that pay him, who he works for and there is literally a move and track system in place that allows him to be paid when away and for safety

You can’t educate stupid in his case

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I wasn't aware of this, my wife deals with our returns, the accountants etc (we own the company 50-50). I'm sure she will tell me when it comes to it.

I'm in the camp that says the horse has bolted a long time ago. The govt already has all of my information, NI number, tax number, address, passport details, driving licence. All equally hackable, just in different govt locations. Bringing it together will simplify things. Will it make it easier for hackers than the current set up? I don't know. I just think there is no point in worrying about it, it's all out there anyway and I can't control that now.

HMRC requirement.

Just for you sir

 

[Fade and Die]

But you are happy to put details on an open forum?

Just from recent posts, we can see where you live (roughly), where you have been working, your son and his wife work for the NHS, what sort of car you drive. A half decent IT geek could use this information to gain even more information about you and your likes and dislikes. This profile could then be used to have a decent guess at some of your passwords, etc and leave you open to hacking, etc.

We are all probably guilty of over- sharing details of our life on forums (although I think you have me confused with someone else for half of your “assessment”) but confidential stuff is different.

 

[GreiginFife]

I'm curious as to what additional information a Digital ID will hold that HMRC, DVLA, NHS or your own bank or private insurer/pension provider doesn't already and how it would suddenly become more "hackable".

Not sure I ever recall HMRC or the DVLA being hacked. NHS got ransomwared one time but that was Windows XP related.

Also curious how folk think a digital ID will suddenly make them 24/7 trackable (I have one mate that is firmly in this camp). Do they think the government will suddenly know if they bunk off an afternoon to go for a quick 9 holes? Do they think they're getting ankle tagged or something?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

HMRC requirement.

Just for you sir

I may well have already done it, it just has not registered in my memory . Apparently it uses the GOV.UK One Login to verify your identity, I have that set up and so if I have done it it would been a 5 second job and not overly memorable.

 

[Neilds]

I'm curious as to what additional information a Digital ID will hold that HMRC, DVLA, NHS or your own bank or private insurer/pension provider doesn't already and how it would suddenly become more "hackable".

Not sure I ever recall HMRC or the DVLA being hacked. NHS got ransomwared one time but that was Windows XP related.

Also curious how folk think a digital ID will suddenly make them 24/7 trackable (I have one mate that is firmly in this camp). Do they think the government will suddenly know if they bunk off an afternoon to go for a quick 9 holes? Do they think they're getting ankle tagged or something?

We are all tracked via the chip that was in the covid jab anyway so no need to worry about this.

 

[Fade and Die]

I wasn't aware of this, my wife deals with our returns, the accountants etc (we own the company 50-50). I'm sure she will tell me when it comes to it.

I'm in the camp that says the horse has bolted a long time ago. The govt already has all of my information, NI number, tax number, address, passport details, driving licence. All equally hackable, just in different govt locations. Bringing it together will simplify things. Will it make it easier for hackers than the current set up? I don't know. I just think there is no point in worrying about it, it's all out there anyway and I can't control that now.

I know that the information is already out there in various databases but this is bringing them altogether and turning them into a key. A key in this case to be the Director of a company. Proposals announced last week tell us it will also be used as a key to access various other “benefits” including the right to work.

 

[Fade and Die]

I'm curious as to what additional information a Digital ID will hold that HMRC, DVLA, NHS or your own bank or private insurer/pension provider doesn't already and how it would suddenly become more "hackable".

Not sure I ever recall HMRC or the DVLA being hacked. NHS got ransomwared one time but that was Windows XP related.

Also curious how folk think a digital ID will suddenly make them 24/7 trackable (I have one mate that is firmly in this camp). Do they think the government will suddenly know if they bunk off an afternoon to go for a quick 9 holes? Do they think they're getting ankle tagged or something?

List of UK government data losses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tashyboy]

I think that one’s a pretty poor example. If someone has had a stent fitted due to heart issues it’s not hard to see why they were worried about returning to somewhere that is a physically demanding job and wanting to reduce their stress on themselves and their heart.

Between the medical team and management could provisions not be made to find other electrical work in a less demanding place. Or a simple conversation between the management, med team and individual not point out whilst they appreciate his years of service they don’t think it’s the right working environment for him and then offered help in finding something more suited. Would’ve saved wasting 18months of his and companies time. Seems more like poor management than someone trying to just get away with it.

Admittedly there’s probably more to this story but the underlying tone seems like poor management allowing it to go on so long.

The problem was with the guy he saw the “ golden ticket”. That being ill health. For some guys that had ill health due to dust on lungs and a guy who broke his neck when a Four ton hydraulic Chock beam dropped on his head. Another who was hit at the side of the head with a piece of rock when shot firing/ using explosives Underground etc. It was far from a golden ticket.
However in the days of Nationalisation/ NCB, if a guy was seriously injured Underground, if he could no longer do his original job a job would be found for him on the surface on his underground money.
When the industry was privatised and coal mines were closing thousands of men were being made redundant. One of the ways of cutting jobs was to allow men to finish on ill health. The genuine ones finished. It was a no brainer, however others looked at trying to go down this route. The final say on whether you qualified for ill health rested with the Pit Doctor, however and this is a massive however. The Doctor looked at evidence from specialists, consultants and the men in questions own doctors. If they said he was not fit to return to work and the pit doctor went against this advise. The onus was on him, and there was no way a pit doctor was putting his head on the block. In this specific Electricians case. They all said he was fit to do a phased return to work. Working on the surface, working in offices. 9-5. Nice and cushy. For some reason he choose to drop off for 18 months.
Re this guy, he had a stent fitted and was told his lifestyle was a contributing factor for his condition. He was a massive smoker.
He like many other miners that had a poor lifestyle continued smoking.

This is re the last bit, by and large when I started in the medical centre in 1990 ish, our Colliery ( Rufford) was the first in the country to do a return to work scheme when miners were injured. Bottom line, if folk had more than 3 days off work due to injury the men were literally dragged back to work. It cut the stats massively and most of the country soon followed suit.
Sometimes it went To Far or did it.
One guy I knew was Polish, lovely guy fantastic worker I loved him to bits, had the kinda face a dog wouldn’t lick. Anyway he broke his leg underground.Walking down a roadway, his foot went between some points on a railway junction, foot got stuck and his lower leg twisted shattering his tib and fib.
I went into the lamp room the following week and he was in there on crutches. I was gobsmacked. Turns out he had seen the sister and was in tears. His wife used to beat the crap out of him on a weekly basis, took his wages off him ( cash in a packet in those days) and fed him scraps. The beatings continued but he was safer at work. Management looked after him.

 

[GreiginFife]

List of UK government data losses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Data losses are not the same as being nefariously hacked. Most of these are results of stupidity than malice.

ETA: many of these are also localised and/or specific (e.g. MoD have been culpable many times on this list but won't hold much citizen data. Yes it will hold other sensitive data but probably not personal info.) also many of these losses occur pre 2015 and as such you would have to (or at least hope you would) accept that cyber security has become much better across the board since then. Not that many of these were cyber related.

 

[Tashyboy]

The first digital ID launches today

Digital veteran ID cards are launching today, and the government wants to digitise passports, driving licences and others by the end of 2027.

news.sky.com

Just outta interest re the id card, not sure if this has been posted but it looks like the government has launched this today.

 

[Bazz]

I think I'm going insane seeing all the fuss around the Maccani Haifa fans been banned from going to Villa.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

The problem was with the guy he saw the “ golden ticket”. That being ill health. For some guys that had ill health due to dust on lungs and a guy who broke his neck when a Four ton hydraulic Chock beam dropped on his head. Another who was hit at the side of the head with a piece of rock when shot firing/ using explosives Underground etc. It was far from a golden ticket.
However in the days of Nationalisation/ NCB, if a guy was seriously injured Underground, if he could no longer do his original job a job would be found for him on the surface on his underground money.
When the industry was privatised and coal mines were closing thousands of men were being made redundant. One of the ways of cutting jobs was to allow men to finish on ill health. The genuine ones finished. It was a no brainer, however others looked at trying to go down this route. The final say on whether you qualified for ill health rested with the Pit Doctor, however and this is a massive however. The Doctor looked at evidence from specialists, consultants and the men in questions own doctors. If they said he was not fit to return to work and the pit doctor went against this advise. The onus was on him, and there was no way a pit doctor was putting his head on the block. In this specific Electricians case. They all said he was fit to do a phased return to work. Working on the surface, working in offices. 9-5. Nice and cushy. For some reason he choose to drop off for 18 months.
Re this guy, he had a stent fitted and was told his lifestyle was a contributing factor for his condition. He was a massive smoker.
He like many other miners that had a poor lifestyle continued smoking.

This is re the last bit, by and large when I started in the medical centre in 1990 ish, our Colliery ( Rufford) was the first in the country to do a return to work scheme when miners were injured. Bottom line, if folk had more than 3 days off work due to injury the men were literally dragged back to work. It cut the stats massively and most of the country soon followed suit.
Sometimes it went To Far or did it.
One guy I knew was Polish, lovely guy fantastic worker I loved him to bits, had the kinda face a dog wouldn’t lick. Anyway he broke his leg underground.Walking down a roadway, his foot went between some points on a railway junction, foot got stuck and his lower leg twisted shattering his tib and fib.
I went into the lamp room the following week and he was in there on crutches. I was gobsmacked. Turns out he had seen the sister and was in tears. His wife used to beat the crap out of him on a weekly basis, took his wages off him ( cash in a packet in those days) and fed him scraps. The beatings continued but he was safer at work. Management looked after him.

I’ve read all of that and can’t see any relevance towards what we were talking about. Bloke has stent doesn’t stop smoking I get it that’s his fault, but doesn’t change he can still be worried about working somewhere like that with a heart condition regardless of smoking!

Not sure what the Polish fellas looks had to do with the point or fact his wife was abusive, management looked after him congrats. How does any of that detract from poor management allowing someone 18months off instead of doing their jobs properly and dealing with the situation!!

I’m genuinely baffled by the response

 

[Beezerk]

I think I'm going insane seeing all the fuss around the Maccani Haifa fans been banned from going to Villa.

The team shouldn’t even be playing European football, they’re in the bloody Middle East

 

[Fade and Die]

The team shouldn’t even be playing European football, they’re in the bloody Middle East

They were kicked out of the Asian Football Federation because they Muslim countries refused to play them. So they applied to become a member of UEFA. Seems fair.

 

[Beezerk]

They were kicked out of the Asian Football Federation because they Muslim countries refused to play them. So they applied to become a member of UEFA. Seems fair.

Logistically it doesn’t seem a reasonable solution imo.

 

[Bazz]

The team shouldn’t even be playing European football, they’re in the bloody Middle East

I can't see anyone getting involved on any clubs behalf to stop hooligans travelling but they have for this club....
Also, having been to Aston many times, none of them would make the match anyway.

 

[Bazz]

Internet and tv have both gone down, which has made for a lovely work free afternoon...but now I've finished I want to watch the tele.

 

[nickjdavis]

Logistically it doesn’t seem a reasonable solution imo.

If the geographical location is what you are referring to, then you could say the same about Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and, especially, Kazakhstan

Such geographical distance from your home affiliation is not unprecedented however... Guyana, Suriname and French Guiana are all members of CONCACAF (North, Central American and Caribbean) despite being well and truly geographically located on the South American continent.

 

[nickjdavis]

I can't see anyone getting involved on any clubs behalf to stop hooligans travelling but they have for this club....
Also, having been to Aston many times, none of them would make the match anyway.

I don't think it is preventing hooligans from the Maccabi club travelling that is the driving decision here...more that it is the risk that the presence of supporters of Maccabi might attract other groups (not football) representatives to stage demonstrations (and no doubt attract counter demonstrations) that then might spill over into violence. But to discuss in more detail would no doubt disappear down a political rabbit hole so I'm not going any further with that train of thought.