PhilTheFragger
Provider of Entertainment for the Golfing Gods 🙄
chortlebit harsh calling your brother on it though
But I’ve played about 100 times with him since ?
questionable behavior (cheating)
- Thread starter Mandofred
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But I’ve played about 100 times with him since ?
Slime
Tour Winner
That's the problem, cheats wouldn't care as they obviously don't feel guilt.
Pathetic Shark
Tour Rookie
The phrase that really annoys me is "they're only cheating themselves". No they're not. They are cheating every other person in the competition.
ScienceBoy
Money List Winner
I think all opinions on the matter are valid and open for discussion.
Grant85
Head Pro
A previous club I played at didn't have balloted medals so people would tend to play in the same or similar groups for most competitions.
I can't say there was any cheating going on in terms of trying to win comps or 2s, but there was some handicap management (both in terms of vanity and sand-bagging) which amounts to the same thing.
The club did try to have more balloted medals but unsurprisingly, members had become well used to playing with people they wanted to so it never took off.
I can't say there was any cheating going on in terms of trying to win comps or 2s, but there was some handicap management (both in terms of vanity and sand-bagging) which amounts to the same thing.
The club did try to have more balloted medals but unsurprisingly, members had become well used to playing with people they wanted to so it never took off.
Grant85
Head Pro
It's a balance. Some memberships are happy with social golf and don't want too many competitions. Others, the membership is keen to have competitions and will have 2 or 3 per week from April to October.
My place there is a split and there are a core of members who want to have their social games on a Saturday and another who want to have competitions. There are already a decent number of comps but on 'free' saturdays, they now run an optional medal.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Yes at my old club it was part of the entrance fee.
You didn’t have a choice if playing in the comp.
I do feel it should be separate and a choice to opt in.
PhilTheFragger
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Swinglowandslow
Well-known member
True, but the funny thing is , aren't they arguing about not the same thing?
Tram is saying it's wrong to suggest banning sweeps and comps.
Kaz is saying they should be able to discuss whether sweeps should be optional or mandatory .
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I'm not a fan of playing for money - never have been. I'll take it if I win it - but will avoid playing with any guys who insist on a casual round that has much more than £5 at stake.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
We play for the drinks.
Never for money.
The more money involved the more cheating goes on imo.
Human nature , ( some anyway).
Never for money.
The more money involved the more cheating goes on imo.
Human nature , ( some anyway).
Old Skier
Tour Winner
I’ve always found it best to mention it anyway even if it’s just afterwards over a pint. Some just genuinely don’t know what they are doing.
GB72
Money List Winner
This I agree with, on roll ups where there was money in a pot, the winner was expected to buy the first round anyway and so often ended up with only a pound or two. More than that and the winner was expected to get a bowl of chips for the table. As such, winning gave you bragging rights but no financial gain that would warrant cheating.
Personally, I think that we should go back to the old maximum winnings rules as part of having an amateur status. Once you get cash prizes of £50 and above or on the bigger, national comps with thousands of pounds in prizes, you are going to attract the element who will do what it takes to win. Personally, the £30 max seemed right to me.
yep ours are, but i do find it strange the amount of guys who don't go in the twos, i would have though everyone has a chance of one and our is only £1
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Mandofred
Well-known member
If we ever get back to our rollups, you could lose up to £4.50 on Wed and £5 on Saturdays. That covers the larger group (£2-2.50) and what usually happens within the 4 ball (£.50-£.50-£1). It's more than I like to play for and other groups play for less, but in reality it's no big deal....I'm just not much of a gambler. I'd rather play for something like £.20-.20-.50.
On Wed the larger group fee is £2 each.....that goes for 1st and 2nd place individual and a fair bit towards the winning group score. Saturday they add .50 to cover any 2's. If you win the individual you lose 1-2 or 3 shots off your handicap depending on your division (2nd loses .5). I'm 9.7 at the moment but 2 seasons ago I was playing off 3 or 4 for a lot of the year because of wins and 2nds.
As far as comps.....£3 for entry plus £2 for any 2's. The 2's money are almost always optional. The reason a lot of people don't enter the 2's is that all things are not equal. The better players are going to get more than the higher handicappers. Sometimes I put it in, sometimes I don't.
On Wed the larger group fee is £2 each.....that goes for 1st and 2nd place individual and a fair bit towards the winning group score. Saturday they add .50 to cover any 2's. If you win the individual you lose 1-2 or 3 shots off your handicap depending on your division (2nd loses .5). I'm 9.7 at the moment but 2 seasons ago I was playing off 3 or 4 for a lot of the year because of wins and 2nds.
As far as comps.....£3 for entry plus £2 for any 2's. The 2's money are almost always optional. The reason a lot of people don't enter the 2's is that all things are not equal. The better players are going to get more than the higher handicappers. Sometimes I put it in, sometimes I don't.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Ours are scratch to 12 cap and 13 and over Divisions.
Got a two last week and got £2.50
My mate got one same day 15 cap £16
The low men get more but don’t get any winnings , it’s becoming not worth it.
Plus 2 of our par 3s are almost 200yds And another is 204yds. So not easy.
It’s a bit of interest that’s all for a £1.
Ours is £1 but I rarely enter. We have 4 par 3's, 3 a decent strike away and all tricky. There is only 1 of them that I expect to hit the green, the others are all a rescue or 3 wood shot and so the chance of a 2 is greatly reduced. I have had 2's but I know that I am up by a far greater amount by not entering.
I now only enter when the weather is perfect, no head wind, warm weather so the ball travels. I have not entered at all so far this calendar year, inc winter comps.
Everyone only has a chance if the holes are designed to be reachable and manageable to all levels, not just the better golfers.
Tommy10
Active member
Our 2's were worth £200 on Saturday, 15 people won £13.30 each. You pay £2 to enter the 2's.
Also pay £2 sweep money and you get a share of that if you are placed 1/2/3 in your division, we also pay £1 entry which goes to the club.
Also pay £2 sweep money and you get a share of that if you are placed 1/2/3 in your division, we also pay £1 entry which goes to the club.
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so are you saying you have no chance of a two unless its a nice day with no wind etc??
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I wonder what the most is that anyone has won or lost on a single occasion? I once played in a 36 hole open with a bunch of friends who also entered. We had a pot going and I won the competition so between prize vouchers, sweep money and our pot I picked up £315 that day
The chances of me getting a 2 are significantly reduced on anything other than a perfect day. Not impossible, I have done it, but the odds are strongly against me. If the incentive is not there, why pay in?
I've played at clubs previously where I would enter every time, I am not anti 2's, but the ones at my current course are not great to be honest, they are not short iron holes.
It is not through lack of trying, I can assure you.
