questionable behavior (cheating)

[Sats]

Not only is that cheating, it's also theft.
They are actually stealing money, a criminal offence!

Technically its fraud by false representation, contrary to section 2 of the Fraud act 2006, but its despicable regardless. If that happened or was happening at my club, I'd defintely bring it to the attention of the commitee and I'd personally refuse to pay for 2's until the situation was resolved satisfactory. I'd even go to another club if it was still happening.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

We use to have a guy at WCGC many moons ago who would play with two dear old guys who would have easily have been in their 70's. It always seemed odd for a single figure guy to play with two high handicappers rather than his equals, especially didn't really have too much in common. Turns out he did it because he was significantly longer but prone to spraying it. Would always be on or about the buffer. Turns out there were some doubts about him and to start with the club put him in a scratch match against another club and he didn't threaten to break 80 all day. The captain and some committee followed at a distance after that as he was wild off the tee yet with the old boys always had a shot from the trees. Turned out he would either find it and simply drop it in a gap or if the original wasn't easily found he'd drop another in the gap. The old boys were too far back to see any of it. Once he realised he was busted he did a bunk and didn't show up again

 

[Slime]

We use to have a guy at WCGC many moons ago who would play with two dear old guys who would have easily have been in their 70's. It always seemed odd for a single figure guy to play with two high handicappers rather than his equals, especially didn't really have too much in common. Turns out he did it because he was significantly longer but prone to spraying it. Would always be on or about the buffer. Turns out there were some doubts about him and to start with the club put him in a scratch match against another club and he didn't threaten to break 80 all day. The captain and some committee followed at a distance after that as he was wild off the tee yet with the old boys always had a shot from the trees. Turned out he would either find it and simply drop it in a gap or if the original wasn't easily found he'd drop another in the gap. The old boys were too far back to see any of it. Once he realised he was busted he did a bunk and didn't show up again

I just can't understand why someone would try to falsely maintain a lower handicap than they should be on.
What could they possibly gain from that?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I just can't understand why someone would try to falsely maintain a lower handicap than they should be on.
What could they possibly gain from that?

Think it was purely a vanity thing. No idea as he wasn't a guy I wanted to spend too much time with as I didn't really like him. Got badly shown up in the scratch event

 

[rosecott]

I don’t believe drawn comps stops cheating, it may stop co-ordinated planning of 2’s but a cheat will always find a way sadly.

Oh, I think they do. The more different players a cheat plays with, the more likely he is to give himself away. I would say that the vast majority of honest golfers would be astute enough to recognise when there's something not quite right.

 

[howbow88]

I am 99.9% sure I saw a playing partner 'find' his ball in the woods, because he took one out of his pocket and placed it down. I was standing no more than a few yards from him, but he had his back to me whilst he carried out the 'procedure'. Whilst I was sure I had seen what I had seen, there was no one else anywhere near us at the time and it took me a few seconds to even grasp what he had done. It was quite brazen!

On the next hole, he tried to claim he shot a 6 when it was a 7. Usually I would probably have taken the person's score when they said it to me, unless it was quite obviously bogus. But from the ball replacement onwards, I stuck to him like glue and happily counted back over the previous hole to prove he had indeed hit a 7.

After this, I was never more than a yard or so from him when his balls were going into the woods. Unsurprisingly, his game suddenly went downhill after that and he NR'd on the 17th green I have warned close friends at the club about him, but that was as far as it went. I considered writing a letter to the committee but decided against it, as I simply had zero proof.

 

[NearHull]

Rumour has it that the ‘2s’ arrangements is not unknown in Opens around here where friends are teamed up.

 

[Wolf]

I have been witness to the leather wedge, a ball that clearly got hit so hard it changed number, the "I found it" when nobody else could and was in a totally different place to where it entered the trees, and to the lower score marker. All of which was the same person who was banned from the club but sadly im still obliged to see.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Oh, I think they do. The more different players a cheat plays with, the more likely he is to give himself away. I would say that the vast majority of honest golfers would be astute enough to recognise when there's something not quite right.

Your answer contradicts itself, ie, they’ll still cheat but more likely to get caught, therefore drawn comps only make it more difficult until they are caught.

Drawn comps can also make it more difficult for people learning the rules of the game when a cheat is involved, it can be difficult for them to question a cheats action or to accept a “bent” rule, knowing someone is deliberatley cheating and recogniseing when something isn’t quite right is a difficult call.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Where there is gambling and money involved there will always be cheating.
Simple answer is to stop sweeps.

 

[nickjdavis]

We had a new guy get a 2 at our place. A few holes later he had another chance...a simple 3 footer.

We explained to him that he would be best missing the putt as if he holed it then that would mean more 2's and the winnings for a 2 would therefore be reduced so he would get less money for his previous 2.

He genuinely pondered over this for a minute or so until the penny dropped!!!

 

[mikejohnchapman]

In many ways what a sad thread.

All the clubs and societies I have played in have had a 2s club and it's a bit of fun and a way of spreading the prizes out. I have never heard of this practice but now feel a bit naive to be honest.

Call it what it is - cheating pure and simple.

 

[peld]

We had a new guy get a 2 at our place. A few holes later he had another chance...a simple 3 footer.

We explained to him that he would be best missing the putt as if he holed it then that would mean more 2's and the winnings for a 2 would therefore be reduced so he would get less money for his previous 2.

He genuinely pondered over this for a minute or so until the penny dropped!!!

Surely he’d get two shares of the pot?

 

[Ethan]

In 35+ years of playing golf in multiple clubs, never ever heard of this happening.

Anyone found doing it should be kicked out of the club immediately. Cheating, lying, fraud and some NSFW descriptors.

 

[clubchamp98]

Played in a seniors comp open last year .
The pair with us “offered” us this option.
We declined .
I had never heard of this before , but they seemed quite surprised we were shocked.
Blatant cheating.

 

[nickjdavis]

Surely he’d get two shares of the pot?

I can only refer you to the final line of my post.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Aside from the deal to offer twos to go round in a group, what about the new or inexperienced golfer who will at some point break a rule through a lack of understanding or mis-interpretation. It may even be a case that they have played with people in a roll up and been told wrong information. The forum has proven before how easy it is for people to get what seem obvious rules wrong. Are they cheating?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Do you ever read what you post?

I understand that in the grand scheme of things yest they are, but surely proceeding as you've been told by a PP (incorrectly) or simply don't know and making a best estimation, is a world away from the leather wedge or a drop down the trouser leg. Surely it's a question of context. If you were playing with a newbie who broke a rule in a competition but is nowhere near the buffer, what do you do? Educate them but penalise them, ignore the error and educate them or ignore it all together. I know golfers that would take any of those options

 

[Slime]

Aside from the deal to offer twos to go round in a group, what about the new or inexperienced golfer who will at some point break a rule through a lack of understanding or mis-interpretation. It may even be a case that they have played with people in a roll up and been told wrong information. The forum has proven before how easy it is for people to get what seem obvious rules wrong. Are they cheating?

Not in my eyes.
Ignorance of the rules is one thing, breaking the rules deliberately is cheating.

 

[larmen]

Do you ever read what you post?

He does have point. I learned gold at a par 3 course and we have a Friday 'competition' and the rules we use there as normal are not transferable to a normal golf course.
A lot of people are proper golfers there, but it's a relaxed thing and gimmies, free drops, even mulligans were what I was used to.

Now, if you have someone just starting and the group he plays with is relaxed, next time he plays he will be told of a lot.


Last week I was invited to join a 3 ball on the 1st tee. They played their own swindle between themselves, and one of them was clearly improving his lies when using a fairway wood. Asking another guy if he has seen this they were happy with that because otherwise he never ever reaches a green. If that would be my 1st round at the club I might have adopted that, too.

A new golfer might just pick up things without malice. Just because he doesn't know.