Neilds
Assistant Pro
Agree with your comment about the lack of explanation for wrong answers, I thought the same. With the quizzes, when you get one wrong it gives you the rule to explain why you were wrong.
Not knowing the very basics of rules in comps.
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Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
The quizzes are very useful and what we have sent out to people and it’s the ones the juniors have done
rulefan
Tour Winner
It matters if your 'partner' does something they are not permitted to or are allowed to do something you believe they can't.I've done those; not the same as the Academy test. Scored 9/9 on the advanced (but only 8/9 on the intermediate). And I thought some of the questions were of dubious value. For example, the beginner one asked whether someone else you're playing with is a "partner". Does it really matter? Shouldn't the quiz focus on things that affect whether you're playing to the rules?
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I agree. I think as a pre-cursor to playing in comps I don't see why everyone doesn't have to take it especially board events. I would hope that those playing a regular period of time and regularly in comps would have a good working knowledge. At the very least it could go towards debunking those rules "myths"
rulefan
Tour Winner
You didn't mention marking it.
7.3 If a ball might be a player’s ball but cannot be identified as it lies:
- The player may lift the ball to identify it (including by rotating it), but:
- The spot of the ball must first be marked, and the ball must not be cleaned more than needed to identify it (except on the putting green) (see Rule 14.1).
If the player lifts their ball under this Rule when not reasonably necessary to identify it (except on the putting green where the player may lift under Rule 13.1b), fails to mark the spot of the ball before lifting it or cleans it when not allowed, the player gets one penalty stroke.
cliveb
Head Pro
Of course it matters if the person you're playing with does something wrong, but whether I call them "partner", "fellow competitor", "other bloke", or whatever is not really relevant.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I like to have a good understanding of the rules but there are a lot of situations that can make it difficult to understand every case. There have also been quite a lot of rule changes over the years that can lead to misunderstandings. I had a disagreement with someone recently who insisted a double hit out of a bunker counted as two shots.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I'll add one that happened in last match I played - a 4BBB. I know the rule - but a quirk makes me unsure.
I am first away to putt and put it quite close; as my partner is next away I chose to walk up and tap it in - I wasn't thinking of any line and weight advantage my putting out would give my partner other than he then had a free putt.
One of our opponents immediately says to me that he'd given me my putt and as I'd played it (I was on the same line as my partner was why he did that) then penalty. I did not hear my putt being given and neither did my partner. What to do?
Now I think my opponent was wrong in saying I had incurred a penalty; what happens is that even though the putt is conceded I can putt out without penalty to me - but by my action my partner is deemed to be out of the hole and it is my score for the hole that counts.
Despite all the above that I (think) I know about the rule - what I am unsure of is what to do if we do not hear the concession?
Simple (enough) rule...confusing quirk.
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jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
It is match play if your playing partner is the furthest away from the hole and is next to putt there is nothing wrong with holing out.
The opponents were a bit slow and should have conceded the putt. If they had you would not have been allowed to hole out to give your partner information.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Point is that they claimed they had conceded my putt - I just never heard the concession.
As noted…I am pretty certain that I can hole out even if the putt is conceded…but by doing so my partner can’t and my score counts for us.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Not sure your last point is correct but I’m sure the real experts will clarify.
cliveb
Head Pro
I think you're correct. Rule 23.6:
Exception – Continuing Play of Hole After Stroke Conceded in Match Play:
- A player must not continue play of a hole after the player’s next stroke has been conceded if this would help their partner.
- If the player does so, their score for the hole stands without penalty, but the partner's score for the hole cannot count for the side.
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Only if it helps the partner, not every time
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
And as my tap-in putt was on same line as my partner this is what our opponents claimed and why they said they had conceded my putt.
…but we never heard the concession. At least I never heard it and my partner was, at best, a bit unsure that he’d heard it. That’s my uncertainty.
I’ll add, our opponents said they weren’t going to enforce the rule - they were ‘just saying’.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Once a putt has been conceded it cannot be putted because once it has been conceded the hole has been completed by the player.
The opponents are then entitles to consider you to be practising and may claim the next hole.
5.5b Restriction on Practice Strokes After Completing Hole After completing play of a hole, but before making a stroke to begin another hole, a player must not make a practice stroke.
Penalty for Breach of Rule 5.5: General Penalty. If the breach happens between two holes, the penalty applies to the next hole
It is a very useful match play tactic when both sides of a team have two balls very close to each other but one has taken more strokes than the other. The opponents concede that players putt so his partner cannot learn from it.
D-S
Well-known member
Surely 5.5b goes on to say
“
Exception – Where Player Allowed to Practise Putting or Chipping: The player may practise putting or chipping on or near:
- The putting green of the hole just completed and any practice green (see Rule 13.1e),
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
But 23.6 as stated above in full, covers a putt being made after it being conceded in a 4BBB match...exactly my situation...with no mention of the putt being considered practice and losing the next hole?
Though again...my original question was about me not hearing the concession, then being challenged after I holed out.
Steven Rules
Well-known member
Rule 5.5a. Strokes made by a player in playing out a hole whose result has been decided are not practice strokes.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
but the result has not been decided in this instance, my understanding is that the opponents have not yet played.
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
See #159
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