HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Literally going to a ball in the rough and picking it up to see if it is theirs. No marking, no explanation that they need to identify the ball. Simply get there and lift it up.
Not knowing the very basics of rules in comps.
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Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Yep you are not required to let your PPs know
And you can also ground your club in a bunker ( with obvious restrictions)
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Addressing the ball and in the backswing?
It is also good etiquette to inform a PP of your intent to move a ball
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Well yeah, that's a bit diff.
Picking up a ball to ID it without marking it is wrong (whether you have a "word with PPs" or not) But there's still no explanation needed to those other players
Neilds
Assistant Pro
Don't bring the etiquette v rules thing up. Previous threads have got very vocal (raking bunkers before playing, announcing type of ball on tee, etc) because some people think it is a good idea to do things a certain way. This is where a lot of the false rules come from.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
But if you intend to move a ball, I was told from a very young age it is good etiquette to inform a PP so there can be no mis-understanding. It seems logical to me
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Its not good etiquette though
Talking to them might be seen as an additional safeguard. Say if you think the conditions suggest it'd be all too easy to inadvertently improve the lie when replacing etc then I might shout over etc
Neilds
Assistant Pro
It is logical - but not required
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
If we are going to drill into the detail then I would announce my intent and be quite happy for the PP to come over and watch as I moved it to identify and replace as it lied. My original point is about those simply marching up in a competition and without any warning picking it up to identify and the putting back. Where that was as it lay I would suggest would be open to conjecture.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I figured it would just be for eligibility to win board comps, rather than to be a member at all.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
I would like to see it for all comps given what I've seen and some of the stories I've heard in the 19th (of course how much embellishment there has been is ope to debate). As our members need a minimum of 6 comp cards to be eligible for a board event in the last rolling 12 months you would hope people that have inadvertantly digressed have been made aware and learned from it.
Some want it for one thing, some want it for more...........I think your point is very valid, and has more legs.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
The detail, funny you'd mention that.
You didn’t mention anything about them having a basic military gait in your earlier post, that changes everything. Well, no it obviously doesn’t really but your scenario keeps changing from original its hard to keep up
Look all I was doing was trying to clarify your point “picking up a ball to identify without a word to any PP's”
That was all the info I had to go on until you then added the bit about 'not marking it' while continuing to 'not offer explanations to PPs' and about it being 'good etiquette' to do so (so 1 out of 3 are 'rules' correct)
Not sure where your suggestion re conjecture comes into the rule
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
If a ball needs lifting that much to identify it I would hazard a guess that it is very likely to be unplayable.
I can identify my ball by lifting it no more than a couple of mm to be able to rotate it in my fingers to see my mark.It then goes back down exactly where it was.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
And in most cases I would agree although in muddier conditions perhaps not but ultimately we are probably nit picking here. It is still a world of difference to walking up to a ball and simply picking it up
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
If players are required to have some sort of exam before being allowed to win then it’s just adding a barrier that’s not really required
And how often would people be required to do it ?
Already seen a few incorrect rules on here being highlighted - is it a yearly refresher whenever rules change ? Every time someone changes clubs etc
Is it like having a HC certificate- you will also need to have a Rules certificate as well as having a certain amount cards etc.
WorldHandicapSystem
Active member
Presumably you mark the ball before lifting a couple of mm?
Backache
Assistant Pro
Marking balls all depends what I'm doing if I'm in a comp every time if I'm not I never bother, life's too short.
HomerJSimpson
Hall of Famer
Depends. I would suggest it would be like a handicap certificate and so would be transferable if you moved clubs
cliveb
Head Pro
OK, I have just taken it without bothering to do any of the preliminary stuff. Passed (phew!) with 88%.
The biggest irritation I had with the test was that after it told me which questions I got wrong, there was no way to go back and review those questions, nor was there any explanation why my answer was wrong. It looked as if the big red X was a link of some sort (cursor changed to the standard link icon), but when clicked (in the hope it would give me some more info about my incorrect answer) it did nothing.
Would it be a good idea to get players to take it?
In principle yes.
In practice, most wouldn't want to bother. So unless there was a reward for doing so (eg. you're not allowed to play in club comps without passing the exam), I can't see how it would help.
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