Patrick Read’s caddie

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Just two questions for you, Philbyk1, one mathematical and one anatomical.
1. In what sense is the flagstick perpendicular to the hole? A diagram would help.
2. Since the only "evidence" you have provided shows the caddie lying on top of the flagstick, could you explain how he uses it in this position to visualise the slope of the green? Doe he have an extra eye in his navel?
 

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No he does not leave it there during putting but it is so precise it gives the impression it is part of his process of reading the putt. To me that make sense as the flag gives reference. If you put two dots on a wall and ask someone if they are level you will get a much more accurate response if you join the lines. The flag does much the same on a green as without the flag we are influenced by the background and the rest of the green. A common misread is when a putt goes subtly against the general shape of the green or is a double breaker. The flag helps isolate the field of vision as you can see if the actual putting line is above or below the flag especially when you lie flat on the ground as he does. When you watch Justin Rose putt he uses his feet to determine the slope. There is a great youtube clip (attached) of him explaining why he does this and how he is looking for the flat putt point. I simply believe Reed's caddie is using the flag do something similar.
I think you are saying you can use the flag as long as you take it away. all good then

I think that may be the case . As far as i know u may do it once it doent indicate the line , fairly sure u couldnt purposely lay it along the putt at any time .. probably in rule 10/1 10/2 somewhere .. cant be sure tho , not a rule expert by any means .
 

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Very late to this thread, but is there a particular reason why the op is getting such a hard time?
It does look odd.
I doubt it's being done accidentally (though players and caddies have plenty of bizarre and pointless rituals).
So why not question the legality. If only out of curiosity?
To me, it has shades of the aimpoint technique, but using the feel of the flag as a means of testing the slope. Also gives a visual indication if the high end of the flag touches the surface.
Given the somewhat esoteric nature of parts of the rulebook, it seems a fair question.
 
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It is always flag down first, then step behind and look at the putt crouching. Then he sometimes goes flat on the ground to see the line of the putt from closer.

The perpendicular point is best described if you think what Rose does which is aim point putting method. See attached how in point one the man is using his feet to determine the slope. He stands behind the ball with his feet either side of the ball. This gives him the feel of whether the green is slopping. If his left foot feels lower than his right the putt is likely to be right to left and vice versa. All I think Reeds caddie is doing is using the flag for the same affect. He always places it across the green see picture for demonstration. It amplifies the slope but is the same principle of using feet and balance.

The shots of him lying flat on the ground are after he has viewed the flag lying on its own on the ground. Best example was on 9 yesterday when Reed actually missed a short one. I have attached a picture of the caddie in the process of placing the flag perpendicular to the hole. if after placing the right side of the flag is higher when viewed from our view it is a right to left putt. it simply replaces the feet in the aim point process. think of the guy in point one placing a flag across his feet with the flag.


https://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/news-and-events/general-news/2018/may/what-is-aim-point-putting
 

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Very late to this thread, but is there a particular reason why the op is getting such a hard time?
It does look odd.
I doubt it's being done accidentally (though players and caddies have plenty of bizarre and pointless rituals).
So why not question the legality. If only out of curiosity?
To me, it has shades of the aimpoint technique, but using the feel of the flag as a means of testing the slope. Also gives a visual indication if the high end of the flag touches the surface.
Given the somewhat esoteric nature of parts of the rulebook, it seems a fair question.
Esoteric 😳😳😳👀👀👀😁😁
 
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Very late to this thread, but is there a particular reason why the op is getting such a hard time?
It does look odd.
I doubt it's being done accidentally (though players and caddies have plenty of bizarre and pointless rituals).
So why not question the legality. If only out of curiosity?
To me, it has shades of the aimpoint technique, but using the feel of the flag as a means of testing the slope. Also gives a visual indication if the high end of the flag touches the surface.
Given the somewhat esoteric nature of parts of the rulebook, it seems a fair question.
Yes much more succinct question can you use a flag to help with aim point.
 
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Nothing like calling someone fat to win an argument on the internet.

Did you ever see any of “Mr Pings” posts who he was referring to regarding the Porsche comment?
no I didn't new member, Wish I wouldn't have bothered. Clearly most on here don't understand the science pros now use to get an advantage.
Clearly his comments to me were meant to be mocking and derogatory but I apologise if this is not the case.
 
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So you're a loony, a sensationslist with no real grasp of the rules, you throw your toys out when someone rationally questions your nonsense, and now you're personally abusing someone based on his photo.
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Are you now at least learning something about pro techniques. I know "I think it is two balls outside right" is OK in your roll up but the pros will push the envelop a little more.
So Mr rules expert can you use the flag to aid aim point technique. Do you want me to explain that again to you? I'll type slowly!
 
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Care to expand on what you mean with that comment?
Saint sorry for the insensitive comments! To be honest I have been quite taken aback by the abuse on this site for what I think is an interesting point. Well at least some now seem to be interested. Once again I should have taken the higher ground (like Reed caddies flag)
 

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Ok guys enough

Bit surprised at the reaction this question has raised, new member too.

Having looked at it, he may have a point, so what’s with all the vitriol?
Why can’t we discuss this in an adult fashion?

To the OP : to be fair you have repeated yourself again and again and this generally antagonises people, so maybe time to stop.
 

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To use the flag in this way to read a putt you would have to know what your doing.
Most of us are not that scientific.
Can we expect Bryson’s caddy to be doing this.
Reed holes his share of putts but if it was that effective the other players would pick up on it.
Up to now nobody has answered the question yes or no.
But I can’t find anywhere we’re it says you can’t so that means you can!

Bit abusive on here. If you don’t like his question just don’t engage.
 
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