Patrick Read’s caddie

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Well, I hope you make better use of Salfordlad's response than you have made of mine. So far, you seem to be much better at making a noise than actually listening.

Just to pick up on a point I made which you seem to be overlooking. Apart from anything else, the caddies' use of equipment would have to give the player a potential advantage to be a breach. R4.3 explicitly permits the use of equipment to help you in your play. Being so helped is a breach only if the particular use of the equipment is not allowed and that it "creates a potential advantage". I'm not going to do the thinking for you - but consider that an advantage is something you get over other people to their disadvantage, not just something that is helpful to you.
Colin please see my response to your very clear guidance which I think you at the time and still do. Don’t worry they will still consider you to be king of the rules book!
Both you and Salford are clearly far more experienced in the development of golf rules and I am. It seems to me they that they are developed with clear guidance once someone pushes the envelope. Take the development of the water bottle spirit level. This interpretation at the time presumably came about because someone rather ingenuously thought of it. Your point on advantage is still a little lost on me as I can with the water bottle could have had a defence that everyone has a water bottle. Equally everyone has a smart phone that can assist. The R&A step in with interpretation when they see the spirit of the law being stretched. This particular thread point may not get that far as clearly from the responses people don’t think it provides much of an advantage and will therefore not get much traction. My commonsense view was that if it provides an advantage to him it is against the spirit of the rules. Clearly commonsense and Golf rules are not synonymous with each other.
 

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Colin please see my response to your very clear guidance which I think you at the time and still do. Don’t worry they will still consider you to be king of the rules book!
Both you and Salford are clearly far more experienced in the development of golf rules and I am. It seems to me they that they are developed with clear guidance once someone pushes the envelope. Take the development of the water bottle spirit level. This interpretation at the time presumably came about because someone rather ingenuously thought of it. Your point on advantage is still a little lost on me as I can with the water bottle could have had a defence that everyone has a water bottle. Equally everyone has a smart phone that can assist. The R&A step in with interpretation when they see the spirit of the law being stretched. This particular thread point may not get that far as clearly from the responses people don’t think it provides much of an advantage and will therefore not get much traction. My commonsense view was that if it provides an advantage to him it is against the spirit of the rules. Clearly commonsense and Golf rules are not synonymous with each other.
My irritation is with the way you keep sounding off without actually engaging with what is said and coming up with a rule-referenced explanation of why there is a breach.

King of the rules book? :LOL: More like a footman.
 
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My interpretation is that you have a very vivid imagination and have an ability to read things into situations that don't actually exist.
Why can't you accept that top level pros come under massive scrutiny from tournament referees, TV cameras and fellow competitors and if Reed was breaking any rules they would be all over him like a rash?
Is this the sort of measured response you were hoping for?
My irritation is with the way you keep sounding off without actually engaging with what is said and coming up with a rule-referenced explanation of why there is a breach.

King of the rules book? :LOL: More like a footman.
lets just say I became a little defensive following my initiation! I simply thought that if you use something that is not part of standard equipment to help this is illegal. I stand corrected! Thank you again.
 

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So Colin L and the new member Salfordlad, as well as a number of other posters with rules experience, have posted that they see no breach of rules by Reed or his caddy, I wonder do you now accept that there is no breach?
Doesn't mean we cant discuss ist without the petty name calling though does it?
Maybe they should rename this section "The Black and White Section" or would that be racist 👀😆
 

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Took a flagstick out with me today.
Pissing down so only me out. It did go off after three holes was quite nice then.
Tried this to see what if any help it offered reading the greens.
Now it definitely shows there is a slope if you have the flag still in , you can clearly see the angle between both flags.
But with just a ball acting as the hole I could not see anything I could see without it.
It shows you the slope to a degree , but helping to read a putt not for me.
My main question would be “ it shows the slope behind the ball but most break is when the balls slowing down at the hole and it dosnt show that.”
If anything it makes the severest slope I could find look flatter as your eyes are drawn to the stick on the ground.
Dosnt answer the legality issue sorry.
But if it dosnt say you can’t normally you can.
 

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Doesn't mean we cant discuss ist without the petty name calling though does it?
Maybe they should rename this section "The Black and White Section" or would that be racist 👀😆
I'm not in any way saying that we shouldn't discuss it and certainly haven't done any name calling but I do wonder when it's been explained by people who actually do rules officiating that there is no rule breaking going on, at what point does the OP stop telling others to look at the evidence in an attempt to garner support for his accusations
 

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Took a flagstick out with me today.
Pissing down so only me out. It did go off after three holes was quite nice then.
Tried this to see what if any help it offered reading the greens.
Now it definitely shows there is a slope if you have the flag still in , you can clearly see the angle between both flags.
But with just a ball acting as the hole I could not see anything I could see without it.
It shows you the slope to a degree , but helping to read a putt not for me.
My main question would be “ it shows the slope behind the ball but most break is when the balls slowing down at the hole and it dosnt show that.”
If anything it makes the severest slope I could find look flatter as your eyes are drawn to the stick on the ground.
Dosnt answer the legality issue sorry.
But if it dosnt say you can’t normally you can.
I applaud your effort to the cause.
 

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Took a flagstick out with me today.
Pissing down so only me out. It did go off after three holes was quite nice then.
Tried this to see what if any help it offered reading the greens.
Now it definitely shows there is a slope if you have the flag still in , you can clearly see the angle between both flags.
But with just a ball acting as the hole I could not see anything I could see without it.
It shows you the slope to a degree , but helping to read a putt not for me.
My main question would be “ it shows the slope behind the ball but most break is when the balls slowing down at the hole and it dosnt show that.”
If anything it makes the severest slope I could find look flatter as your eyes are drawn to the stick on the ground.
Dosnt answer the legality issue sorry.
But if it dosnt say you can’t normally you can.
Well now, you won't find me trying that especially if I was on my own as I would need help to get back up again. :)
 

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I'm not in any way saying that we shouldn't discuss it and certainly haven't done any name calling but I do wonder when it's been explained by people who actually do rules officiating that there is no rule breaking going on, at what point does the OP stop telling others to look at the evidence in an attempt to garner support for his accusations
Yeah sorry mate, I wasn't trying to say you were name calling I was just making the general point.
I get what you're saying about a few rules experts saying "no penalty" but that shouldn't just mean shut up and stop discussing it. Surely others should be free to discuss it without the risk of getting sniped at. Maybe the thread should have been in The Lounge, now that would have been fun :LOL:
 
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Yeah sorry mate, I wasn't trying to say you were name calling I was just making the general point.
I get what you're saying about a few rules experts saying "no penalty" but that shouldn't just mean shut up and stop discussing it. Surely others should be free to discuss it without the risk of getting sniped at. Maybe the thread should have been in The Lounge, now that would have been fun :LOL:
The Lounge? Where do I find that? Relax only joking😂
My comments about watching it are usually in response to someone’s attempt at an explanation and for that you would have to see him do it as it is quite something. I did try it to see if I could make any sense. Ruined my trousers and needed my playing partner to help me get up again. The rules guys have clearly stated no infringement. QED and Merry Christmas
 
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Took a flagstick out with me today.
Pissing down so only me out. It did go off after three holes was quite nice then.
Tried this to see what if any help it offered reading the greens.
Now it definitely shows there is a slope if you have the flag still in , you can clearly see the angle between both flags.
But with just a ball acting as the hole I could not see anything I could see without it.
It shows you the slope to a degree , but helping to read a putt not for me.
My main question would be “ it shows the slope behind the ball but most break is when the balls slowing down at the hole and it dosnt show that.”
If anything it makes the severest slope I could find look flatter as your eyes are drawn to the stick on the ground.
Dosnt answer the legality issue sorry.
But if it dosnt say you can’t normally you can.
I have finally won my bet to get one of you lying flat on your belly on a wet green in the middle of winter! 😂😂
Superb effort cc.
 
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