Not enough time in swing

[JV24601]

Does anybody else find that during instruction (lessons in person or online videos) there simply isn't enough time in the swing as they make out?
The slight (or not so slight in some peoples) pause at the top of the backswing, then the drop down and rotation etc., I just find it's over in a split second and I can't do the things I want to and want to feel as there's simply not enough time.

 

[TheDoctor]

Practice and repetition, or slow the swing down to exaggerate the feelings you are looking for until you get used to them and then gradually speed up to full swing hitting balls

 

[bobmac]

How many things are you trying to do during the swing?

 

[JV24601]

How many things are you trying to do during the swing?

In the downswing (which is where I find I have no time) just 2.
First one is drop the club behind me and the second one is to create the lag by keeping the hands ahead of the club.
It feels to me though that as soon as I drop the club behind I'm at the ball though!

 

[Chokeahontas]

If I may, I think what you're describing is exactly why lessons with a good pro help. I'm sure we've all tried working on many things at once in our swing, a pro will look at the whole thing and then start to address them one by one, building it up slowly so that you're working on a manageable amount to bank as muscle memory.

 

[bobmac]

Are you self taught?

 

[Three]

I just try to get it over as soon as possible.

 

[JV24601]

I do have the occasional lesson but only really when things go wrong.
When I'm hitting it well though I've always been conscious of how the downswing just seems to be so quick even when I try hard to do it slower.

On reflection, I'm also thinking of rotating the hips on the downswing, to make space for the arms.
I'm probably describing things worse than they are and failing with the terminology here!

 

[bobmac]

Some say you shouldn't have any swingthoughts during the swing.
I would disagree slightly and say you can have one on the backswing and one on the downswing.
But to have 3 on the downswing is too many.
How do you know you need to improve those 3 areas?

 

[JV24601]

Some say you shouldn't have any swingthoughts during the swing.
I would disagree slightly and say you can have one on the backswing and one on the downswing.
But to have 3 on the downswing is too many.
How do you know you need to improve those 3 areas?

Good question.
Drop club behind - because I come over (out to in) too much.
Lag - because I get no lag and don't get the distance I should be getting. I know distance isn't everything but I've got long levers and have average distances. When I see the swing and when others do it's evidence there's zero lag.
Hips - as I either sway or keep them still and they get in the way.

 

[huds1475]

This could have been me until a great lesson yesterday;

Long levers / no power
Too much thinking during swing.
Clutching at straws to find the root cause.

Work with a pro to determine what the right position feels like @ the top of your backswing so that you are loaded and ready to go.

Then work out with pro how to fire that stored up energy. The rest should, largely take care of itself, but should be minor and easy to fine tune.

Two basic things.

Easy to write, you just need to work out how to work it through with a specialist.

 

[bobmac]

I would say if you want to stop the out to in, work only on that.
Its not easy to fix and can take a long time but if you are trying to fix 2 other areas at the same time you'll end up fixing nothing.
Plus, trying to swing more in to out will give you a shallower angle of attack.
Trying to increase your lag will give you a steeper angle of attack.
Tricky.

I would suggest you focus on your swing path only which will give you more distance anyway.

 

[JV24601]

This could have been me until a great lesson yesterday;

Long levers / no power
Too much thinking during swing.
Clutching at straws to find the root cause.

Work with a pro to determine what the right position feels like @ the top of your backswing so that you are loaded and ready to go.

Then work out with pro how to fire that stored up energy. The rest should, largely take care of itself, but should be minor and easy to fine tune.

Two basic things.

Easy to write, you just need to work out how to work it through with a specialist.

Just read your post a minute ago and was about to reply huds. Great post and sounds really positive!

I've done that and I've been there. I was so close to it too and what felt like almost a perfect swing for me, but one problem I had was the clubhead at impact.
I've since worked on that but lost the basics of this feel again now and struggling to get it back.

I know 100% my head is too busy when I'm over the ball but no matter what I tell myself I can't seem to chill out over it when I'm playing in a match or with a card in hand.
A bloke told me the other week that once you're at that stage "you're f*****". I hope not, but I'm beginning to think it's true!

 

[JV24601]

I would say if you want to stop the out to in, work only on that.
Its not easy to fix and can take a long time but if you are trying to fix 2 other areas at the same time you'll end up fixing nothing.
Plus, trying to swing more in to out will give you a shallower angle of attack.
Trying to increase your lag will give you a steeper angle of attack.
Tricky.

I would suggest you focus on your swing path only which will give you more distance anyway.

Thanks Bob.

If I'm to do that - which I will - do I ignore the rest of the faults with other aspects of the swing??
I often think if I do then I'm practicing bad habits, hence why I'm trying to fix it all at once.

 

[Foxholer]

I would say if you want to stop the out to in, work only on that.
Its not easy to fix and can take a long time but if you are trying to fix 2 other areas at the same time you'll end up fixing nothing.
Plus, trying to swing more in to out will give you a shallower angle of attack.
Trying to increase your lag will give you a steeper angle of attack.
Tricky.

I would suggest you focus on your swing path only which will give you more distance anyway.

:clap::thup:

This is the sort of reasoned advice I look for from a 'proper Pro'!

 

[bobmac]

Thanks Bob.

If I'm to do that - which I will - do I ignore the rest of the faults with other aspects of the swing??
I often think if I do then I'm practicing bad habits, hence why I'm trying to fix it all at once.

I would suggest that won't work.

Golf can be split into 2 parts

1. How you hit it
2. Where you hit it.

If you improve your swing path you will improve your impact position which improves no.1 and no.2
So with one swing thought you will hit the ball further and straighter.

Win win

KISS

 

[Khamelion]

As mentioned above practice and repetition, work on one thing and get that correct and when that becomes automatic, work on the next, trying to remember to do all the things you see in videos, or what a teacher has told you is not going to work.

 

[JV24601]

I would suggest that won't work.

Golf can be split into 2 parts

1. How you hit it
2. Where you hit it.

If you improve your swing path you will improve your impact position which improves no.1 and no.2
So with one swing thought you will hit the ball further and straighter.

Win win

KISS

Like the sound of it Bob. Thank you.

I really need to make a monthly visit to Lincolnshire for lessons I think.

 

[Roops]

You have probably got enough to think about already, but one thought struck me. If you are making an arm swing and not a shoulder turn, you will find that the arm swing can be significantly quicker than a shoulder turn. If you try and turn your shoulders as fast as you can swing your arms, I am pretty sure you will find it almost impossible. Lead with the shoulder turn, that will automatically slow the swing and add a touch of lag.

 

[hovis]

In the downswing (which is where I find I have no time) just 2.
First one is drop the club behind me and the second one is to create the lag by keeping the hands ahead of the club.
It feels to me though that as soon as I drop the club behind I'm at the ball though!

let me help you out.

forget trying to hold onto lag. you will never be strong enough to hold the angle. good lag is from a good downswing pivot and sequence