2blue
Journeyman Pro
So I'd say YES.... conditions fulfilled
So I'd say YES.... conditions fulfilled
Old Skier
Tour Winner
My thoughts would be No unless it is an affiliated society.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
Yep.... its not at all clear, really..... just conditions to be fulfilled..... still working hard to get our members to realise they have a responsibility in this direction that they should/must fulfil.
I'm very interested to know just how strongly are Clubs pursuing those they learn have played in AWAY Comps/Events??... I've a feeling its going to be a long learning process for many members especially those who's results you need most.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Had a conversation with the county vets (who are affiliated) secretary today:
Me: You had a team comp last week, where are the results sheets
He: Why
To many organizations and clubs want affiliation but don't want to follow the rules.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Indeed - I discussed this with someone a few days ago and, on finding out they had won the event asked if they had returned the scores....they hadn't even been able to get the card back at the time, and there was no mechnism for reporting the individual scores of the 4 players in any event!
2blue
Journeyman Pro
It's the Team-score that gets recorded, surely, as there's unlikely to be any complete individual scores..... well that's what I've been recording to our V1.... folk can at least remember their team score, then get the other info from the Club's web-site.... again what I've been doing.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
You would like to think that but, in all innocence, I asked 2 members of the same team what there score was and got different numbers back!
I agree the principle but there's also huge discrepancy in formats and courses ie 2 from 4, 3 from 4, 2 from 4 with 1 host. In MORE 3 from 4 is the only really significant one in teams of this nature, and again needs a lot of returns to make that relevant.
Appreciate we are in the minority in that we already actively sort out trends in this area before - ironically one of these players was cut 2 shots in last year's AR with his being part of a winning team at this event! In practice his having been a past captain at that club and knowing a tricky course really well combined with being able to select the host each time were probably more significant than handicap flaws (he also played in 30+ qualifiers and wasn't flagged by the system for review at all). He's on the 0.1 trail in club Q comps already.
It's great that people are thinking about it, and that the principles are out in the open, but it's a very blunt instrument!
rosecott
Money List Winner
I've been around handicapping for a long time but I've never heard of an affiliated society. The CONGU manual talks only of affiliated clubs.
Can you tell me more?
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Possibly a bad choice of words. Our County vets until this year were run more as a society and were not under the umbrella of County golf, they are now hence my post about following the rules.
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guest100718
Guest
I'm still none the wiser
rosecott
Money List Winner
So, if I read you correctly, the (Devon?) County Veterans are a club affiliated to the County Union and England Golf and the members pay an annual affiliation fee, the same as all us club members.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
Does affiliation matter in the context of this thread?
Old Skier
Tour Winner
I think it's more that the DMVGA comps come under the same umbrella as county comps as members are already affiliated through their clubs.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Only in the context that you can be de-affiliated if you fail to follow the directives laid down by the governing bodies.
2blue
Journeyman Pro
Ah... gottya :thup:
