Non Qualfiying Scores from Away Clubs

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm not insulting you - you appear to have a very strong opinion in regards this current change that will happen and being a HC sec will help you implement and translate it for your clubs members in the way you believe it's being put across.

My private life is nothing to do you and I'm asking you to answer the post not the poster, something you state to others in other threads.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Read the thread, you've already been questioned making out how much extra work it's going to cause, resign if you're not happy.
Personally I see it as a positive step, you along with others moan about things like the TT and this may go a small way to removing some bandits, any away comps I play in I will comply with what my club asks for.

I actually complained that the implementation of it via bits of paper was a backwards step as opposed to using the systems that are now established and in place for all our clubs - use the software but that's all in the thread already.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My private life is nothing to do you and I'm asking you to answer the post not the poster, something you state to others in other threads.

What the heck is going on here ?!

I havent mentioned anything about your private life and I am answering the posts ?. On that very strange note I don't see what's left to say.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What the heck is going on here ?!

I havent mentioned anything about your private life and I am answering the posts ?. On that very strange note I don't see what's left to say.

Suggesting I volunteer at the agm, you have no idea what goes on in my life, so please keep your bright ideas to yourself. Last post on this from me.

 

[Slab]

Reading the e-mail on the other thread I wonder why they decided it wouldn't take effect at the time. Why wait for an annual review, if someones deserves a cut then cut at the time

For me the score for any round on any measured course, home or away, played to the RoG should directly effect handicap
I don't get why it should only be competition golf (& supplemental) that impact handicap

You can still have social & practice rounds with gimmie's & a 2nd ball etc etc that have no bearing, but if it was played to RoG and there's a marker then get it added to handicap

Obviously the logistics of submitting scores have to support the above but I cant think of the downside to a players handicap

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Reading the e-mail on the other thread I wonder why they decided it wouldn't take effect at the time. Why wait for an annual review, if someones deserves a cut then cut at the time

For me the score for any round on any measured course, home or away, played to the RoG should directly effect handicap
I don't get why it should only be competition golf (& supplemental) that impact handicap

You can still have social & practice rounds with gimmie's & a 2nd ball etc etc that have no bearing, but if it was played to RoG and there's a marker then get it added to handicap

Obviously the logistics of submitting scores have to support the above but I cant think of the downside to a players handicap

Because I suspect that any Away Non Q Comp that people play will be in a team format and you can't cut some from a score in a team comp

Any singles Comp organised by a Congu Affiliated Club in my experience will be a qualifying Comp anyway and will immediately affect someone's HC

 

[Imurg]

Because I suspect that any Away Non Q Comp that people play will be in a team format and you can't cut some from a score in a team comp

Which begs they question why team events (4BBB) can be used in the AR..? A partnership could be all one sided but they like playing together..
Or performance in Matchplay - you don't have to play well to win, you just have to be better than the other guy..

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Some people on this thread really need to calm down
Agree to disagree and move on, life really is too short

 

[Fish]

Which begs they question why team events (4BBB) can be used in the AR..? A partnership could be all one sided but they like playing together..
Or performance in Matchplay - you don't have to play well to win, you just have to be better than the other guy..

I thought this also, it's not like you put everyone's scores down in teans or pairs, I might only come in on 3 or 4 holes which could be good 3 & 4 pointers but the card be excellent. What's sending that card back or in going to achieve!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Which begs they question why team events (4BBB) can be used in the AR..? A partnership could be all one sided but they like playing together..
Or performance in Matchplay - you don't have to play well to win, you just have to be better than the other guy..

I use them as extra evidence on top of evidence already gained through the medals etc

But you do see trends when you look at the matchplays etc - we had one person over a year win - a singles KO ,Winter League 4BBB , Club Foursomes KO and a Greensomes but didn't get the scores to get cut in medals. That gives you the evidence to allow a cut at AR based only on team events but they rare occasions when someone is cut based only on KO and Team

 

[Imurg]

I use them as extra evidence on top of evidence already gained through the medals etc

But you do see trends when you look at the matchplays etc - we had one person over a year win - a singles KO ,Winter League 4BBB , Club Foursomes KO and a Greensomes but didn't get the scores to get cut in medals. That gives you the evidence to allow a cut at AR based only on team events but they rare occasions when someone is cut based only on KO and Team

Circumstancial at best though isn't it?
Like I said, you don't have to play well to win Matchplay, just better...
Gimmees distort scores as well....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Circumstancial at best though isn't it?
Like I said, you don't have to play well to win Matchplay, just better...
Gimmees distort scores as well....

All on judgment calls - you know when someone is playing far better than their HC and they use Matchplay events to gain confidence, normally it then transcends into a medal and they get cut from that but on the odd occasion they don't move the form to medals.

It will also depend on the size of the Comp - if it's 8-10 rounds then they are going to have to play well

 

[Imurg]

So how do you use scores from an away 4BBB to judge performance.?
All it shows is the best score on each hole - not who scored it..
In Matchplay, I got to the semi final of a club knockout once. 7 rounds.
All but 1, had they been Medals, would have given me 0.1 back.
There seems to be a massive assumption that because you win you play well....
I just find it hard to comprehend how performance in, what is really, another form of the game should influence handicap.
If you're going to use Matchplay, 4BBB etc, then use every round played to the RoG....

 

[Hobbit]

So how do you use scores from an away 4BBB to judge performance.?
All it shows is the best score on each hole - not who scored it..
In Matchplay, I got to the semi final of a club knockout once. 7 rounds.
All but 1, had they been Medals, would have given me 0.1 back.
There seems to be a massive assumption that because you win you play well....
I just find it hard to comprehend how performance in, what is really, another form of the game should influence handicap.
If you're going to use Matchplay, 4BBB etc, then use every round played to the RoG....

But if you don't cut the good matchplay player he will continue to scoop matchplays. As to the team comps, you wouldn't use the result from one away comp. If there's a clear history of winning, a cut should follow.

My concern over the use of a history of winning is the cut won't happen till the AR. Someone could scoop right through the summer before a cut was enforced.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So how do you use scores from an away 4BBB to judge performance.?
All it shows is the best score on each hole - not who scored it..
In Matchplay, I got to the semi final of a club knockout once. 7 rounds.
All but 1, had they been Medals, would have given me 0.1 back.
There seems to be a massive assumption that because you win you play well....
I just find it hard to comprehend how performance in, what is really, another form of the game should influence handicap.
If you're going to use Matchplay, 4BBB etc, then use every round played to the RoG....

You judge in the same way you would judge home club 4BBB and KO - use your judgement and look for patterns

It comes down to knowing the players. One off results wouldn't make a difference but if it's part of a run of results then it would stick out when looking at Comp results through the run

 

[Fish]

I won the first comp of the season and was cut 2.7 shots to 17.0, I then made it to the semi finals in both the clubs Greensomes & Foursomes which were played throughout the season, I won the 3-club challenge 5 under handicap, I made it to the regional finals of a singles National Matchplay comp, I've won a handful of roll ups well under handicap, won my fair share of GM meets and played under handicap or to buffer at most of them, won at West Hill in a Mariners comp, won in team events home & away, including some GM ones, just came 2nd the other week in a team event with a full field, BUT, I've not faired well in my monthly medal stroke play qualifiers and going by the rules, as I'm now on 18.0 I should get an additional shot back 😜👍😂

So, I have not been cut in my AR and wouldn't expect to as it's only based on Medal comps, but everyone else wants me to be cut, other than my pairs partners & team partners 😂😂

Personally I've not had a bad season 🤔

Would any of you cut me based on the above and if so, to what?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Only things I would have looked at would be the club KO - but as you have had a significant cut already then no further cut would have been applied

 

[Old Skier]

Circumstancial at best though isn't it?..

Indeed it is as is most things to do with handicaps other than set Q's.

Its just a guide. Some will use it in a sensible way, other handicap secs will be silly and use it as an excuse to chop people just for the fun of it.

Would I prefer it to be produced electronically, yes, but can I file away a bit of paper and use it a year down the line, yes.

 

[Hobbit]

I won the first comp of the season and was cut 2.7 shots to 17.0, I then made it to the semi finals in both the clubs Greensomes & Foursomes which were played throughout the season, I won the 3-club challenge 5 under handicap, I made it to the regional finals of a singles National Matchplay comp, I've won a handful of roll ups well under handicap, won my fair share of GM meets and played under handicap or to buffer at most of them, won at West Hill in a Mariners comp, won in team events home & away, including some GM ones, just came 2nd the other week in a team event with a full field, BUT, I've not faired well in my monthly medal stroke play qualifiers and going by the rules, as I'm now on 18.0 I should get an additional shot back 

So, I have not been cut in my AR and wouldn't expect to as it's only based on Medal comps, but everyone else wants me to be cut, other than my pairs partners & team partners 

Personally I've not had a bad season 樂

Would any of you cut me based on the above and if so, to what?

Greensomes and foursomes you wouldn't get touched for. Not sure why they didn't cut you after the 3 club challenge, if it was a Medal, other than CSS might be affected by the limited number of clubs in a bag - but some people only play with a half set in all comps anyway. Guess they decided it was a non-Q..... I got a cut after a 5 club challenge... GM/society meets, you're safe as they are not run by a recognised/affiliated body, club/county.

Even with the above, no but having seen you at Woodhall I'd give you 5 shots back...:ears:

 

[fundy]

I won the first comp of the season and was cut 2.7 shots to 17.0, I then made it to the semi finals in both the clubs Greensomes & Foursomes which were played throughout the season, I won the 3-club challenge 5 under handicap, I made it to the regional finals of a singles National Matchplay comp, I've won a handful of roll ups well under handicap, won my fair share of GM meets and played under handicap or to buffer at most of them, won at West Hill in a Mariners comp, won in team events home & away, including some GM ones, just came 2nd the other week in a team event with a full field, BUT, I've not faired well in my monthly medal stroke play qualifiers and going by the rules, as I'm now on 18.0 I should get an additional shot back 😜👍😂

So, I have not been cut in my AR and wouldn't expect to as it's only based on Medal comps, but everyone else wants me to be cut, other than my pairs partners & team partners 😂😂

Personally I've not had a bad season 🤔

Would any of you cut me based on the above and if so, to what?

14 feels about right to me, but if I was having a bad day I could justify 12