Mixed competition tees, should women move back to the yellow tees?

[FairwayDodger]

I'm out on this one, men have two courses effectively one from the yellows with one CSS and the whites with another, this is at all clubs, with one offering blue & blacks too.

Now women play all their golf from the reds, but I do think they should have comp tees too, similar to men having yellows for bounce games and whites for comps. The only downside is a good majority that I have seen play at club level wouldn't make the fairways if they played much further back. I know this is a generalisation but surely as long as thy enjoy their golf that's all that matters.

Be good to hear some female opinions

Why do men have separate tees anyway? IMO it should be the same - either one set of tees each or two - equal rights and all that.

A problem is that there is a huge difference in distance between the longest and shortest ladies making it hard to balance. I don't imagine its any fun standing on a tee knowing that your best shot won't reach the fairway. On the other hand it's a bit annoying seeing how a potentially good hole is ruined by the positioning of the ladies tee ahead of much of the trouble.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Surely with all the equal rights stuff women and juniors could argue they want a mixture of tees too

Yes, but it would be somewhat down the list of inequities that I'd want addressed!

 

[Region3]

Back to skool Matty, you are making huge generalisations.
Why should the ladies SSS [CSS] be more than the mens.......not always the case.

I could be way off the mark, but I think Matty's point (it would certainly be mine) was that reassigning ladies par's to the yellow tees could potentially turn a par 72 course into a par 78.

 

[FairwayDodger]

You may notice that I'm not discussing it Karen. I'm staying right out of it after our chat last week. :thup:

Very wise - don't make me come down there! :lol:

 

[DCB]

Anyone actually looked at a ladies tee properly ? You should find, the red tee set for everyday use somewhere on the teeing ground. You should also be able to find the marker from which the ladies course has been measured, be it a disk, plate, post or whatever. It in effect is the measured distance marker for the hole. If the club is serious about it's golf, the bigger ladies comps should be off the back marker, playing the full length of the course.

I think the main reason men have yellows and whites is probably due to the volume of traffic that gets played over a course by men, both in and out of competition. There are far more male golfers than female which results in more wear and tear on the course.

 

[Shiny]

A problem is that there is a huge difference in distance between the longest and shortest ladies making it hard to balance. I don't imagine its any fun standing on a tee knowing that your best shot won't reach the fairway. On the other hand it's a bit annoying seeing how a potentially good hole is ruined by the positioning of the ladies tee ahead of much of the trouble.

Or indeed the men such as myself who are shorter hitters who need their sunday best drive to hit a couple of the white fairways. I'm not even going to the captains tees which are further away. Hence I don't enter board competitions at my club, no fun if you can't even reach the fairways.

 

[bladeplayer]

Sure i might aswell set my self up for a pasting here again ..

in any one comp ALL players should play the same course no exceptions ..I know thats not a popular decision on here but its my opinion tho ,

 

[Val]

Why would they move?
their handicap is worked out from the reds and mens from the white, simples.

:thup:

Totally agree

 

[duncan mackie]

I could be way off the mark, but I think Matty's point (it would certainly be mine) was that reassigning ladies par's to the yellow tees could potentially turn a par 72 course into a par 78.

possibly, but then again what's par got to do with mixed competitions (or handicapping) ?

 

[MizunoGreyhound]

Might as well change my name to pinata after this.........

Equality was granted, therefore should mixed comps even exist?
Should ladies tees be abolished and just have different sets of tees?
All ladies only/men only comps should become club comps?

I have played with ladies of differing abilities from single figures to 36 handicap and found the vast majority, as with men, to be great company on the course, as well as off it. The simple truth, as a broad generalisation, is that men hit the ball further than ladies. Not necessarily accurately, but further. Why mess with what has worked for years, all in the name of progress?

 

[sydney greenstreet]

Why would they move?
their handicap is worked out from the reds and mens from the white, simples.

I played in the club championship on Saturday and the semi-final was contested by Bill and Christine and I thought it not right she teed from the Red and him from the White, Until i read your post and had not thought of it that way, cheers Patrick.:thup:
So I change my vote, it is fair Women tee from the red while us Guys play from the white's.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I played in the club championship on Saturday and the semi-final was contested by Bill and Christine and I thought it not right she teed from the Red and him from the White, Until i read your post and had not thought of it that way, cheers Patrick.:thup:
So I change my vote, it is fair Women tee from the red while us Guys play from the white's.

Ah.... but if it's a mixed comp played off scratch then same tees seems reasonable to me.

 

[bluewolf]

Ah.... but if it's a mixed comp played off scratch then same tees seems reasonable to me.

How can that be? A scratch female has got there via the red tees. If she was playing off the whites, then in all likelihood, she wouldn't be scratch. You've confused the hell out of me now FD.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

Ah.... but if it's a mixed comp played off scratch then same tees seems reasonable to me.

Genuine naive questions.

1) Is it possible for a female to hold two handicaps? A whites and a red?

2) In top amateur female comps, which tees do they play off?

Not loaded questions at all, just curious to find out!

 

[FairwayDodger]

How can that be? A scratch female has got there via the red tees. If she was playing off the whites, then in all likelihood, she wouldn't be scratch. You've confused the hell out of me now FD.

Probably at cross purposes. Very few people get to scratch but I mean comps that are played off scratch (i.e. no handicap) in that case it doesn't matter what your handicap is or what tees it was measured from.

Not wanting to confuse matters further but to try and minimise the physical advantage of the guys I'd suggest playing it off the reds......

 

[FairwayDodger]

Genuine naive questions.

1) Is it possible for a female to hold two handicaps? A whites and a red?

2) In top amateur female comps, which tees do they play off?

Not loaded questions at all, just curious to find out!

1) Not to my knowledge
2) I haven't played in any "top" comps; the closest I've come was the East of Scotland championship which was off the reds. But when I played the Dukes course earlier in the year there were various tees and there were separate "championship" tees for ladies. So, depends on the course I think.

 

[bluewolf]

Probably at cross purposes. Very few people get to scratch but I mean comps that are played off scratch (i.e. no handicap) in that case it doesn't matter what your handicap is or what tees it was measured from.

Not wanting to confuse matters further but to try and minimise the physical advantage of the guys I'd suggest playing it off the reds......

Fair enough, but if you want to minimise the physical advantage you might want to consider putting on a free bar the night before the comp. most women are too smart to fall for that little trap.

 

[Heidi]

Now - what i dont get is this - move BACK to the yellows. one of my clubs the yellows are actually forward of the reds on every hole
so how does that work?!
par for ladies off reds is 70, men off yellows is something like 67. But there is not one hole where the yellows are behind the reds (the whites are)

so how does that fit with your 'play off the yellows' for comps nonsense?!

 

[patricks148]

Genuine naive questions.

1) Is it possible for a female to hold two handicaps? A whites and a red?

2) In top amateur female comps, which tees do they play off?

Not loaded questions at all, just curious to find out!

when they Played the Cutis Cup at My club this year they played off a mixture of white and Yellows an and a couple of the red.

These were the top GB&I V's US female Amatures, i believe they were all plus handicap but i could be wrong.

 

[bluewolf]

From what I understand, the top amateur and pro comps play to a yardage not a specific tee. The yardage is decided upon, then the course set up to fall within those parameters. The colour of tee is irrelevant, only the yardage matters.