Membership cost increase

[Imurg]

My club has made enormous leaps in the last 10 years to become a very family orientated club that GB72 would be happy with.
There's very little stuffiness, just a few of the, lets say, more experienced members but they're small in number...
We have the usual dress code for the course but pretty much anything goes in the clubhouse as long as it not ripped or mucky.
But...
Several longstanding members have told me that, 15 years ago, if I'd turned up to play and parked my driving school car in the car park with the headboard on I'd have been very quickly told to remove it or leave the car park.

These are the attitudes to working people that established the no jeans, no trade vehicles etc etc rules years ago and persisted in many clubs until quite recently
Sadly, many of these rules still exist in some clubs simply because the rules have been in place for so long that it's seen as a " it's always been like this" scenario.
I'm all for rules...if the rules make sense.
If it's a rule that started when Wing Commander Ponsonby-Smyth decided in 1955 that being a plumber and driving a van were signs that you weren't the "right sort" for the club then that rule needs to be rescinded.....along with any others that don't correlate to the modern world.
Effectively judging people on the clothes they wear, the car they drive or the job they do may have been "ok" way back then...it isn't now.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

So defensive when you don't have an answer for something. ? You dismissed the idea of someone not being able to afford a smart of shoes, so I offered another valid reason why somebody might not want to wear them.

No you changed the argument to something totally unconnected to the original discussion.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

I can't disagree with most of this but most do have undesirable standards to many people. Take your golf head off for a second a imagine you want to take up golf when you are confronted with :

1 you can't change you shoes there mate
2 you can't wear trainers but you can wear trainers if they are golf trainers
3 you have to wear specific shorts
4 your socks must be white
5 you have to keep your shirt tucked
6 that shirt better have a collar
7 you can't take your trolley in between the bunker and green
8 you can't walk where you want on the green
9 you can't talk when someone is playing
10 you can't talk/shout across the fairway
11 you have to take you hat off to shake hands
12 no, no mate. You can only play one ball. No practicing here
13 change your shoes to have a pint
14 don't park in the captains spot
15 get to the gate only to find you need a code to get out

You can understand why people think "stuff all that cobblers"
To all of us the above is normal standard stuff. But from the outside looking in.......... ????

Try signing up for a football team.

1. You have to wear this shirt
2. You have to wear these shorts
3. You have to wear these socks
4. You have to wear boots
5. You have to wear shinguards
6. You have to change in that changing room over there.

Doesn't seem to put many people off so trying to say that dress codes put people off golf is a load of crap.

 

[Orikoru]

Try signing up for a football team.

1. You have to wear this shirt
2. You have to wear these shorts
3. You have to wear these socks
4. You have to wear boots
5. You have to wear shinguards
6. You have to change in that changing room over there.

Doesn't seem to put many people off so trying to say that dress codes put people off golf is a load of crap.

Are you deliberately daft? It's a team game so obviously you match your teammates attire otherwise you wouldn't know who was on what team. And you certainly don't have to change in the changing room, half the time we don't even have one on a Sunday. ? A team kit isn't the same as a dress code for goodness sake.

 

[D-S]

I once suggested (after a long debate in a meeting redress code) that perhaps we should adopt, as our new dress code, the simple slogan :-
No shirt, No Shoes - No Golf
I would suggest it on here but perhaps it might discriminate against the trouserless.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Are you deliberately daft? It's a team game so obviously you match your teammates attire otherwise you wouldn't know who was on what team. And you certainly don't have to change in the changing room, half the time we don't even have one on a Sunday. ? A team kit isn't the same as a dress code for goodness sake.

I think you're the daft one if you can't see that a team strip is a dress code. Would you turn up in a blue strip when your team plays in red?

 

[Orikoru]

I think you're the daft one if you can't see that a team strip is a dress code. Would you turn up in a blue strip when your team plays in red?

That's a functional requirement of the game to have matching kits. It's not functional to have a collar on your shirt on the golf course, it's arbitrary, it serves no function at all.

 

[hovis]

That's a functional requirement of the game to have matching kits. It's not functional to have a collar on your shirt on the golf course, it's arbitrary, it serves no function at all.

He's actually made himself look like an Idiot with his own example.?
A dress code/ team kit in football is literally pivotal to the game. ????
They don't tell you what pants, shin pads or for some what colours hairband to wear ?

 

[KenL]

Try signing up for a football team.

1. You have to wear this shirt
2. You have to wear these shorts
3. You have to wear these socks
4. You have to wear boots
5. You have to wear shinguards
6. You have to change in that changing room over there.

Doesn't seem to put many people off so trying to say that dress codes put people off golf is a load of crap.

So, is that analogy!

 

[moogie]

Try signing up for a football team.



1. You have to wear this shirt

2. You have to wear these shorts

3. You have to wear these socks

4. You have to wear boots

5. You have to wear shinguards

6. You have to change in that changing room over there.



Doesn't seem to put many people off so trying to say that dress codes put people off golf is a load of crap.

Yes then they all wear whatever the hell they like in the clubhouse bar

What a stupid example

 

[KenL]

I think you're the daft one if you can't see that a team strip is a dress code. Would you turn up in a blue strip when your team plays in red?

I might if I was the goalie. ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It doesn't. It just looks bad to all of those snobs who are desperate not to have their clubs standards lowered. They can't really show off how unique and exclusive their club is when they allow jeans.

A chap I was speaking to recently said with utter glee that you still needed a jacket to eat at his club. You could see the snobbery oozing out of him. He was so proud ?

Why do you judge golf clubs based on a small minority ?‍ same with judging golfers based on a small minority ?

There are no doubt clubs that don’t want to see people “banging someone out” or shouting across each other on a fairway or basically just doing what they want - but that’s prob the same with most sports clubs , that’s just anti social behaviour at the end of the day and that’s irrelevant to what trousers they wear or what trainers they were - that’s just the attitude of some , the same as there are some snobs in the world

My club has made enormous leaps in the last 10 years to become a very family orientated club that GB72 would be happy with.
There's very little stuffiness, just a few of the, lets say, more experienced members but they're small in number...
We have the usual dress code for the course but pretty much anything goes in the clubhouse as long as it not ripped or mucky.
But...
Several longstanding members have told me that, 15 years ago, if I'd turned up to play and parked my driving school car in the car park with the headboard on I'd have been very quickly told to remove it or leave the car park.

These are the attitudes to working people that established the no jeans, no trade vehicles etc etc rules years ago and persisted in many clubs until quite recently
Sadly, many of these rules still exist in some clubs simply because the rules have been in place for so long that it's seen as a " it's always been like this" scenario.
I'm all for rules...if the rules make sense.
If it's a rule that started when Wing Commander Ponsonby-Smyth decided in 1955 that being a plumber and driving a van were signs that you weren't the "right sort" for the club then that rule needs to be rescinded.....along with any others that don't correlate to the modern world.
Effectively judging people on the clothes they wear, the car they drive or the job they do may have been "ok" way back then...it isn't now.

How many clubs are like that these days ? A very small minority around the world but it’s far from the norm that some want to portray about the sport and clubs

How your club now is how most clubs are now and many have been for a number of years , in fact that’s the norm for most clubs and in fact any club I have visited this year - normal golf clothes for the course and then just relaxed for the clubhouse

The blazer crew are very far and few between now and even those clubs will have facilities for people to eat and drink in a relaxed environment without the need to put a jacket and tie on etc

The ones who sit in the corner and tut at someone in a pair of trainers are dying away from the clubs

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes then they all wear whatever the hell they like in the clubhouse bar

What a stupid example

Local rugby club has all players wearing a shirt and tie after each match ?‍

also some football clubs will be the same

 

[Deleted member 23270]

That's a functional requirement of the game to have matching kits. It's not functional to have a collar on your shirt on the golf course, it's arbitrary, it serves no function at all.

No it's bloody simple. You play 2 sports. One of them you are happy to comply with the rules, the other you whinge about everything. Do us all a favour and stick to football.

 

[moogie]

Local rugby club has all players wearing a shirt and tie after each match ?‍































































































































































































































































































































































































































































also some football clubs will be the same

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Nobody mentioned rugby......

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Yes then they all wear whatever the hell they like in the clubhouse bar

What a stupid example

No it's not, wear whatever you want when you leave the golf club.

 

[hovis]

I might if I was the goalie. ?

I was actually thinking about his stupid example when I remember my coach saying to me (the goal keeper).

Why do you judge golf clubs based on a small minority ?‍ same with judging golfers based on a small minority ?

There are no doubt clubs that don’t want to see people “banging someone out” or shouting across each other on a fairway or basically just doing what they want - but that’s prob the same with most sports clubs , that’s just anti social behaviour at the end of the day and that’s irrelevant to what trousers they wear or what trainers they were - that’s just the attitude of some , the same as there are some snobs in the world



How many clubs are like that these days ? A very small minority around the world but it’s far from the norm that some want to portray about the sport and clubs

How your club now is how most clubs are now and many have been for a number of years , in fact that’s the norm for most clubs and in fact any club I have visited this year - normal golf clothes for the course and then just relaxed for the clubhouse

The blazer crew are very far and few between now and even those clubs will have facilities for people to eat and drink in a relaxed environment without the need to put a jacket and tie on etc

The ones who sit in the corner and tut at someone in a pair of trainers are dying away from the clubs

You didn't get the vibe I was going for. Its not anti social behaviour to talk in someone's backswing. It's bad etiquette. As for the "banging someone out". That comment was made after I said what discussions happen on a golf course. One thing golfers need to realise is take that attitude out the club and you most certainly will get banged out.

Anyway, the person in question said he couldn't play golf because of it. At least he knows his limits

 

[Deleted member 23270]

He's actually made himself look like an Idiot with his own example.?
A dress code/ team kit in football is literally pivotal to the game. ????
They don't tell you what pants, shin pads or for some what colours hairband to wear ?

I'm looking at you thinking you're the idiot if you can't see a simple comparison.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Blimey winter is well & truly here ??

 

[KenL]

This is becoming less than friendly.
Where's the ref, I mean the mods?