Membership cost increase

[Deleted member 1418]

In what way is there a judgement about someone based on their footwear?

It's the first thing I look at! Anyone wearing Nike or Adidas on the course I take an immediate dislike to!!!

 

[r0wly86]

The person isn't being judged. All they are doing is saying they don't want people wearing a particular type of shoe. After all, the wealthiest, and most elite members of society, wear trainers sometimes.

it is what is called "indirect discrimination"

when there's a practice, policy or rule which applies to everyone in the same way, but it has a worse effect on some people than others.

yes well off people can and do wear trainers, but it may also be the case that the poorer players do not own a pair of smart leather shoes as an example

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nope, I didn’t.
In fairness, if clubs have rules such as this, could they not mention this at the time of booking? They happily take my £300+ for playing yet feel for the fee it’s up to me to check each and every rule they have before I arrive?!?

I actually wasn’t moaning about the rules, rules are rules, more the stupidity that socks are seen as more palatable than training shoes. That I find most odd

It’s there right in the visitors information ?‍

https://www.royallytham.org/terms-and-conditions/

“It is important that all visitors read these terms and conditions before their visit and that Group Organisers and Agents make them available to each member of their party.”

surely that’s just common sense ? Every single club has a dress code of some sort and you would expect any visitor to check

It’s the same when booking restaurants? Theatres , or many other establishments

Of course they're being judged
They're being denied entry

Surely for H&S reasons it's safer to be in footwear rather than just socks anyway
Which would be a bigger issue

I'm pleased there's more forward thinking clubs 'oop North
So many stupid rules I read on here, when all were doing is whacking a little white ball around a big green field

After all, a pig in a suit, is still a pig

Again - do people not need to take a bit of personal responsibility and ensure they arrive at any establishment in the correct attire

 

[Deleted member 25575]

It’s there right in the visitors information ?‍

https://www.royallytham.org/terms-and-conditions/

“It is important that all visitors read these terms and conditions before their visit and that Group Organisers and Agents make them available to each member of their party.”

surely that’s just common sense ? Every single club has a dress code of some sort and you would expect any visitor to check

It’s the same when booking restaurants? Theatres , or many other establishments



Again - do people not need to take a bit of personal responsibility and ensure they arrive at any establishment in the correct attire

As I say, at no point was I complaining about the rules, I was more surprised about socks being more acceptable than trainers.
I’ve still not read the rules, but I’m fairly sure it doesn’t say that socks are ok upstairs, though maybe it does.
Regardless it strikes me as very odd for socks to be ok and not trainers, it makes absolutely no sense to me

 

[r0wly86]

It’s there right in the visitors information ?‍

https://www.royallytham.org/terms-and-conditions/

“It is important that all visitors read these terms and conditions before their visit and that Group Organisers and Agents make them available to each member of their party.”

surely that’s just common sense ? Every single club has a dress code of some sort and you would expect any visitor to check

It’s the same when booking restaurants? Theatres , or many other establishments



Again - do people not need to take a bit of personal responsibility and ensure they arrive at any establishment in the correct attire

According to the rule you can wear pyjamas in the clubhouse (as long as they have a collar)

 

[Deleted member 25575]

It’s there right in the visitors information ?‍

https://www.royallytham.org/terms-and-conditions/

“It is important that all visitors read these terms and conditions before their visit and that Group Organisers and Agents make them available to each member of their party.”

surely that’s just common sense ? Every single club has a dress code of some sort and you would expect any visitor to check

It’s the same when booking restaurants? Theatres , or many other establishments



Again - do people not need to take a bit of personal responsibility and ensure they arrive at any establishment in the correct attire

Also at the time I made the booking I don’t think it’s a lot to ask that they send out the link you just posted with the booking confirmation, it certainly didn’t take you long to post it here.

 

[hovis]

So playing golf requires a person to travel with 3 pairs of shoes
1: Trainers or whatever to drive in
2: golf shoes to play the game
3 shoes to eat dinner in.

If you think this is OK can you please put your head in the oven to accelerate the process and remove this mindset from golf

 

[Deleted member 23270]

A rule should have logic and reason behind it. And of course we can choose to ignore clubs based on their rules - I assumed that was how the topic went in this direction in the first place.

The rules do have logic and reason but you just choose not to see it.

 

[hovis]

The rules do have logic and reason but you just choose not to see it.

Please explain the logic and reasoning for saying no to trainers but yes to socks only. I'm all ears.

 

[PJ87]

So playing golf requires a person to travel with 3 pairs of shoes
1: Trainers or whatever to drive in
2: golf shoes to play the game
3 shoes to eat dinner in.

If you think this is OK can you please put your head in the oven to accelerate the process and remove this mindset from golf

We are very lucky that majority of old golf rules will die out within the next 15 years

 

[Deleted member 23270]

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that there are a lot of people on this forum that would be better off taking up a different sport.

 

[moogie]

Again - do people not need to take a bit of personal responsibility and ensure they arrive at any establishment in the correct attire

Or maybe.....just maybe
Some people might have thought golf had joined the 21st century, therefore said person didn't feel the need to check what footwear they put on to go to the golf club that day.......as it shouldn't really matter

 

[Crow]

Not really, if someone doesn't use the air hose to clean their shoes when they come off the course all sorts of mud and crap gets deposited in the car park. Then the club has to pay someone to clean it up.

Yes, much better that people go into the changing rooms to dump all their mud and crap.

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Please explain the logic and reasoning for saying no to trainers but yes to socks only. I'm all ears.

I don't understand, where can you play in socks only?

 

[PJ87]

Please explain the logic and reasoning for saying no to trainers but yes to socks only. I'm all ears.

It's like the old debate on clothes ... It's not okay to wear certain socks, or trainers

But you can wear the same old washed out polo shirt and battered chinos for years

That's fine

You look like a sack of poo but it's cool

 

[Deleted member 23270]

Yes, much better that people go into the changing rooms to dump all their mud and crap.

I've never seen an air hose in the changing room, have you?

 

[hovis]

We are very lucky that majority of old golf rules will die out within the next 15 years

I don't think it will mate. logical and normal people join clubs and get radicalised by the old out going 1840's members.

 

[D-S]

Do you think if I started a thread with “Dress Codes - what do you reckon?” we might at least get people (after a few pages of obstinately stated opinions) eventually learning about the amount their subs are increasing by, as I think this might be of interest to golf club members?

 

[hovis]

I don't understand, where can you play in socks only?

Someone posted situation where they went upstairs for food in socks because trainers weren't allowed. You posted rules are logical a reasonable. I want someone to explain the logic in this rules. Imo it's the right shoes or no entry

 

[hovis]

Or maybe.....just maybe
Some people might have thought golf had joined the 21st century, therefore said person didn't feel the need to check what footwear they put on to go to the golf club that day.......as it shouldn't really matter

You beat me to it