LIV Golf

[wjemather]

I see Brysons options are

Stay with Liv
No signing on fee (IF PIF are no longer willing to pay these)
Keep his equity in The Crushers team
Earn enough OWGR Pts to stay in top 50 to play in majors if needed.

Go to PGAT
Wait a year to play events
or pay a 5 million fee to charity to come straight back (If Offered)
Lose equity in The Crushers team
Earn enough OWGR Pts to stay in top 50 to play in majors if needed.

Go to DPWT
Finish in top 10 to earn pathway back to the PGAT if he wishes to.
Earn enough OWGR Pts to stay in top 50 to play in majors if needed.

Play You Tube Golf
Need to win a major every 5 years to stay in majors.

Hard man to predict as he thinks differently but which do you think is most likely ?

DeChambeau is at the level where he could be offered equity in LIV itself in the absence of upfront money.
He is exempt into all the majors through 2029 (I think), so is long way from needing to think about owgr points.
There would be no waiting to play the PGA Tour; a special rule would instantly be created (as it was for Koepka) to let him back immediately (with token penalties).
He's shown zero interest in joining the DP World Tour, and doesn't need to use this as a route to the PGA Tour (unlike Reed, who didn't have status).

 

[Arthur Wedge]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2046964184391319801

They just need to find out who will fill the big funding gap

 

[Arthur Wedge]

DeChambeau is at the level where he could be offered equity in LIV itself in the absence of upfront money.
He is exempt into all the majors through 2029 (I think), so is long way from needing to think about owgr points.
There would be no waiting to play the PGA Tour; a special rule would instantly be created (as it was for Koepka) to let him back immediately (with token penalties).
He's shown zero interest in joining the DP World Tour, and doesn't need to use this as a route to the PGA Tour (unlike Reed, who didn't have status).

How much is the equity worth in an asset that’s hard to see much worth when it’s losing significant money

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I see Brysons options are

Stay with Liv
No signing on fee (IF PIF are no longer willing to pay these)
Keep his equity in The Crushers team
Earn enough OWGR Pts to stay in top 50 to play in majors if needed.

Go to PGAT
Wait a year to play events
or pay a 5 million fee to charity to come straight back (If Offered)
Lose equity in The Crushers team
Earn enough OWGR Pts to stay in top 50 to play in majors if needed.

Go to DPWT
Finish in top 10 to earn pathway back to the PGAT if he wishes to.
Earn enough OWGR Pts to stay in top 50 to play in majors if needed.

Play You Tube Golf
Need to win a major every 5 years to stay in majors.

Hard man to predict as he thinks differently but which do you think is most likely ?

If he left LIV he would follow the same path as Koepka

 

[Captain_Black.]

DeChambeau will pull in the fans & increase TV viewers like no other player.
He was obviously not amused by the condition of the last Liv course in Mexico.
I have no doubt he is looking to get out of Liv & the PGA will be desperate to get him back.
I'd like to see Rahm & Hatton back as well.
The rest?
I'm not bothered what they do.

 

[Fore Right]

If he left LIV he would follow the same path as Koepka

I'm surprised you said if..

You think it is an if ?

He does seem to be genuinely invested into The Crushers as a venture..

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I'm surprised you said if..

You think it is an if ?

He does seem to be genuinely invested into The Crushers as a venture..

Don’t think there are any certainties right now

He won’t stay without a nice juicy contract imo

 

[Fore Right]

Don’t think there are any certainties right now

He won’t stay without a nice juicy contract imo

I guess its going to be a test of how much he really loves Liv like he has said.
How much does he believe his team could have value down the road.
How important is not being a lone wolf on tour and being part of a team to him.
How important is taking golf round the world to him as one of the biggest names in the sport.

At the end of the day he is not getting a juicy contract in any of his other options either.

It defo felt like Brooks and Patrick were desperate to go back to the norm of the PGAT.
I dont quite get the same feeling about Bryson although its without doubt his strongest other option.

Its going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

I dont think Liv is going to end but Liv Golf as we know it, does seem like its going to end.
No signing on bonuses and smaller purses in the future, although probably still very worthwhile purses and guaranteed money.

So then players will be making a decision to go there purely on the golf and not the outrageous money.
In a strange way if the focus turns more onto the golf and away from the money it will give Liv more credibility.

However to remain a significant tour in the world you need to have marquee players and that is why Brysons decision this year is so big on the back of Brooks and Patrick.
If he decided to stay without a huge cheque it would send a huge message about Liv golfs future.
Unfortunately for Liv though if he leaves it also sends a strong message that Liv isnt the place if your one of the biggest names in the sport.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I guess its going to be a test of how much he really loves Liv like he has said.
How much does he believe his team could have value down the road.
How important is not being a lone wolf on tour and being part of a team to him.
How important is taking golf round the world to him as one of the biggest names in the sport.

At the end of the day he is not getting a juicy contract in any of his other options either.

It defo felt like Brooks and Patrick were desperate to go back to the norm of the PGAT.
I dont quite get the same feeling about Bryson although its without doubt his strongest other option.

Its going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

I dont think Liv is going to end but Liv Golf as we know it, does seem like its going to end.
No signing on bonuses and smaller purses in the future, although probably still very worthwhile purses and guaranteed money.

So then players will be making a decision to go there purely on the golf and not the outrageous money.
In a strange way if the focus turns more onto the golf and away from the money it will give Liv more credibility.

However to remain a significant tour in the world you need to have marquee players and that is why Brysons decision this year is so big on the back of Brooks and Patrick.
If he decided to stay without a huge cheque it would send a huge message about Liv golfs future.
Unfortunately for Liv though if he leaves it also sends a strong message that Liv isnt the place if your one of the biggest names in the sport.

It’s going to be interesting

If BDC stays without the huge amount of money then I suspect he will then have full image rights etc etc and look to build a brand etc

The issue for me is only four golfers have really being able to build a brand

Arnold Palmer , Jack Nicklaus , Greg Norman and Woods

And most of that has come from clothing lines etc

BDC is a marmite character , he will get views on a you tube channel and build through that but don’t think it will ever be enough to sustain a tour

 

[Lord Tyrion]

It’s going to be interesting

If BDC stays without the huge amount of money then I suspect he will then have full image rights etc etc and look to build a brand etc

The issue for me is only four golfers have really being able to build a brand

Arnold Palmer , Jack Nicklaus , Greg Norman and Woods

And most of that has come from clothing lines etc

BDC is a marmite character , he will get views on a you tube channel and build through that but don’t think it will ever be enough to sustain a tour

I think you are missing how people are monetised now. Social media can/will make someone more money than a clothing line now. The world has changed, that is old school thinking.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I think you are missing how people are monetised now. Social media can/will make someone more money than a clothing line now. The world has changed, that is old school thinking.

think maybe you have read the post wrong

The four golfers I mentioned built their brand through clothing and then went onto to mention BDC through his you tube channel

It will be enough to keep him going but it won’t be a brand to sustain a tour

 

[irip]

I would imagine that Bryson now is not worried about money, his main concern will be to add as many majors as possible.
Which is the same for all the top players.
The best chance of doing that must be playing against the best week in week out.
I’m not sure staying with LIV offers him that.

 

[Fore Right]

Greg Norman has his say on latest developments at Liv Golf

 

[Klimski]

What utter silliness naming a team after Oklahoma. Wasn't LIV supposed to be the GLOBAL tour as opposed the the US tour known as PGA? I think we wil continue to see more weirdness as LIV stutters towards its ending. LIV has cost an estimated 6 billion dollars since its inception in 2022. Its current burn rate is 100 million dollars per month. There is absolutely no way this tour continues if PIF ejects. Unless Putin steps in, changing the name from LIV to DIE: Donbas International Events.. with a slew of exciting golf events played on courses in former Soviet republics often featuring elaborate bunkers.

 

[BubbaP]

I guess its going to be a test of how much he really loves Liv like he has said.
How much does he believe his team could have value down the road.
How important is not being a lone wolf on tour and being part of a team to him.
How important is taking golf round the world to him as one of the biggest names in the sport.

At the end of the day he is not getting a juicy contract in any of his other options either.

It defo felt like Brooks and Patrick were desperate to go back to the norm of the PGAT.
I dont quite get the same feeling about Bryson although its without doubt his strongest other option.

Its going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

I dont think Liv is going to end but Liv Golf as we know it, does seem like its going to end.
No signing on bonuses and smaller purses in the future, although probably still very worthwhile purses and guaranteed money.

So then players will be making a decision to go there purely on the golf and not the outrageous money.
In a strange way if the focus turns more onto the golf and away from the money it will give Liv more credibility.

However to remain a significant tour in the world you need to have marquee players and that is why Brysons decision this year is so big on the back of Brooks and Patrick.
If he decided to stay without a huge cheque it would send a huge message about Liv golfs future.
Unfortunately for Liv though if he leaves it also sends a strong message that Liv isnt the place if your one of the biggest names in the sport.

You make some interesting points. None of us were in the room, but your take on Reed is different to how I read it.

Reed was out of contract. If I were his negotiating team, would probably be annoyed he didn't have a team to himself with his status and generally consistent play. Perhaps felt undervalued. But we know whenever his name is mentioned, on here and wider social media a lot of negative opinions come out - so can see how LIV negotiators may potentially have viewed it also.

I suspect LIV team put out their best offer, Reed's team put out their red line and threatened to walk if not reached - and LIV went okay we can't agree. I think Reed looked at it, that both directions could work for him - he had a change of scenery, and could just as easily revert.

Koepka obviously put out his reasons publicly - which can take at face value or not. I suspect behind the scenes he was under some pressure as he hadn't really done anything with the team, and just didn't need that with personal stuff ongoing and the move to 72 holes + travelling imminent.

All opinions though of course.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Greg Norman has his say on latest developments at Liv Golf

Good listen that

 

[BubbaP]

What utter silliness naming a team after Oklahoma. Wasn't LIV supposed to be the GLOBAL tour as opposed the the US tour known as PGA? I think we wil continue to see more weirdness as LIV stutters towards its ending. LIV has cost an estimated 6 billion dollars since its inception in 2022. Its current burn rate is 100 million dollars per month. There is absolutely no way this tour continues if PIF ejects. Unless Putin steps in, changing the name from LIV to DIE: Donbas International Events.. with a slew of exciting golf events played on courses in former Soviet republics often featuring elaborate bunkers.

To your question - as there are teams based around Australia, South Africa, Spain, South Korea, & England, plus a Latin American and a European team - I'm not sure I entirely follow your question comparing it to a US tour. It is often mentioned that the US currently the largest golf market so it might seem odd to ignore that altogether- global would include the US. Granted, as others have mentioned, I am not quite following why Oklahoma, but I acknowledge that I have not lived or worked in the US. I know several other US states are larger than several European countries and so perspectives may be different in the US.

Also to check, I'm assuming you meant gross burn rate? I'm pretty certain they must be still running at a loss:- if the net burn rate was around 38M loss a month in in 2024, it might be a little less now, in 2026.