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[Mel Smooth]

I just watched the playoff, and as good as that 'second' shot was - it should really have been his third shot. They just granted him relief after hitting it in the spectator area. I didn't agree with that ruling at all. Chip it back into the fairway and play on, or take a penalty stroke for unplayable. It makes a mockery of even trying to hit the fairway. And that was one of the widest fairways I've ever seen to begin with.

Play it as it lies?

It’s literally sat in a pool of muddy casual water.

I know I’d be looking for free relief from a lie like that.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Play it as it lies?

It’s literally sat in a pool of muddy casual water.

I know I’d be looking for free relief from a lie like that.

Where is the water ?

Shouldn’t be getting any relief from that lie unless it’s in a no play zone or walk ways have been determined to be NP zones etc

That’s just a mud lie , no casual water

 

[Neilds]

Where is the water ?

Shouldn’t be getting any relief from that lie unless it’s in a no play zone or walk ways have been determined to be NP zones etc

That’s just a mud lie , no casual water

As with a lot of situations, you can't make a proper decision from just a photo. If there was water visible when the player takes a stance, then it does become casual water and relief is available.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

As with a lot of situations, you can't make a proper decision from just a photo. If there was water visible when the player takes a stance, then it does become casual water and relief is available.

We can only go by the judgement made from that picture

 

[Neilds]

We can only go by the judgement made from that picture

And that can make you wrong

 

[Mel Smooth]

The ref decided it was casual water.
That’s the end of it.

It’s not like he’d hit it deep in the rough, he was just a few yards from the fairway but in an area severely damaged by spectators.
I’d expect to always see relief given in those circumstances.

 

[Mel Smooth]

We can only go by the judgement made from that picture

You could watch the video.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

And that can make you wrong

Not really when it’s a judgement on what’s shown

You could watch the video.

You didn’t post a video

Maybe worth posting that then so we don’t make judgment calls based on a picture

 

[Mel Smooth]

Not really when it’s a judgement on what’s shown


You didn’t post a video

Maybe worth posting that then so we don’t make judgment calls based on a picture

Wot she said…

 

[wjemather]

MLR F-4 is commonly in place when conditions are that wet/muddy where spectators have been walking.

 

[D-S]

Temporary Water - just saying.

 

[Orikoru]

Play it as it lies?

It’s literally sat in a pool of muddy casual water.

I know I’d be looking for free relief from a lie like that.

Were they playing it at a local council track??

 

[Mel Smooth]

Were they playing it at a local council track??

That hole had received more foot traffic than most tournaments can only dream of on their 18th hole come Sunday evening mate.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That hole had received more foot traffic than most tournaments can only dream of on their 18th hole come Sunday evening mate.

The fighting wasn’t great to see though

https://twitter.com/x/status/2035728347796271508

Not a good look at any sporting event

 

[Orikoru]

That hole had received more foot traffic than most tournaments can only dream of on their 18th hole come Sunday evening mate.

But I mean, I saw the Bryson shot in the play-off and he was still hitting off an absolute mud bath. It looked worse than my course did in January/February! I've never seen a professional event course look as bad as that before in my life.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

But I mean, I saw the Bryson shot in the play-off and he was still hitting off an absolute mud bath. It looked worse than my course did in January/February! I've never seen a professional event course look as bad as that before in my life.

Been at Woburn for the Masters years back and it gets very muddy under foot , depends on how much rainfall etc

Even during the Open there are walkways that get sodden

It’s why for most of them they are declaring no play zones etc and players can get relief

 

[Mel Smooth]

But I mean, I saw the Bryson shot in the play-off and he was still hitting off an absolute mud bath. It looked worse than my course did in January/February! I've never seen a professional event course look as bad as that before in my life.

So?

It had rained nearly every day and they’d had 100,000 spectators through the gates.

At least a tree didn’t randomly fall down in the middle of the tournament.

 

[Klimski]

Perhaps I am wrong: but here we are discussing the effect of over-long driving on the game, Bryson whacks a huuuuuuuuge hook into the crowd, facing one of the widest (and muddiest) fairways ever seen. And gets no punishment for taking a risk and making a mistake. Meanwhile Rahm hits is middle of the fairway, is given genuine casual water relief and loses the playoff.

The 3 wood shot was sensational of course (by Bryson).

With the way these top players are driving I think that any ball in a spectator area should be out of bounds to be honest, but that's a different conversation.

By the by, the course did look like a municipal pay to play, rain or no.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Perhaps I am wrong: but here we are discussing the effect of over-long driving on the game, Bryson whacks a huuuuuuuuge hook into the crowd, facing one of the widest (and muddiest) fairways ever seen. And gets no punishment for taking a risk and making a mistake. Meanwhile Rahm hits is middle of the fairway, is given genuine casual water relief and loses the playoff.

The 3 wood shot was sensational of course (by Bryson).

With the way these top players are driving I think that any ball in a spectator area should be out of bounds to be honest, but that's a different conversation.

By the by, the course did look like a municipal pay to play, rain or no.

It’s a common theme now in tour events where players can smash it wildly left or right and then find a lie or get a drop and it doesn’t really have a detrimental affect

Most tour events are on courses that have a lot of wide open space

 

[wjemather]

But I mean, I saw the Bryson shot in the play-off and he was still hitting off an absolute mud bath. It looked worse than my course did in January/February! I've never seen a professional event course look as bad as that before in my life.

You need an awful lot of spectators to make that much mess.
Happens quite often at the biggest events when it's rained a lot, but you only really get to see it on TV when a big name or someone in contention is playing from an affected area.
A few examples: the 2010 Ryder Cup at Celtic Manor, the 2016 PGA Championship at Baltusrol, the 2009 U.S. Open at Bethpage Black, the 1988 Open at Royal Lytham.