LIV Golf

[wjemather]

Well it is very flexible - I’m guessing “top 8” was used because it allowed BDC to be included last year.

Chosen simply because the top 8 get (or did get - I haven't checked whether it's still the case) a 2-year exemption on LIV. No other reason. NB the top 1 is far too small a sample size to draw any conclusions.

Also, I believe I've previously said (more than once) that granting those top 8 major exemptions would be reasonable.

Which then goes back to Goochs statement of “the best players not playing in majors” etc - when it’s very clear the very best do play in the majors

Why are you still taking that quote out of context? His point was that the majors do now/did then (just about) still have the best players but unless something changes/changed (which it's starting to with a very small number of special invitations and specific exemptions) they may not in future, particularly when exemptions start running out and players elect not to chase the relatively small number of owgr ranking points available outside the pgat.

 

[Bdill93]

I think its rather evident these days that the guys that were competing on the PGAT before they left are the same guys who are still competing in majors.

The in-betweens - Gooch etc are doing well on LIV, but they're not going to be winning any majors.

I like LIV, its entertaining and a great fan event - one thing it isn't though is a breeding ground for future major champions. They're all playing PGAT golf.

 

[wjemather]

Well, they are golffacts (shades of Mrs P Read!), but what exactly are they meant to demonstrate?
I'm genuinely curious as to what point is being made.

The point is that appearances can be easily distorted by cherry-picking the data.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Chosen simply because the top 8 get (or did get - I haven't checked whether it's still the case) a 2-year exemption on LIV. No other reason. NB the top 1 is far too small a sample size to draw any conclusions.

Also, I believe I've previously said (more than once) that granting those top 8 major exemptions would be reasonable.


Why are you still taking that quote out of context? His point was that the majors do now/did then (just about) still have the best players but unless something changes/changed (which it's starting to with a very small number of special invitations and specific exemptions) they may not in future, particularly when exemptions start running out and players elect not to chase the relatively small number of owgr ranking points available outside the pgat.

The Majors will always have the best players playing in them

There will always be a route for players to get into a major even if exemptions run out

There hasn’t been a major yet where a top player has been missing

 

[Mel Smooth]

I think its rather evident these days that the guys that were competing on the PGAT before they left are the same guys who are still competing in majors.

The in-betweens - Gooch etc are doing well on LIV, but they're not going to be winning any majors.

I like LIV, its entertaining and a great fan event - one thing it isn't though is a breeding ground for future major champions. They're all playing PGAT golf.

On your last point I’d disagree.

LIV is extremely appealing to young talented players - and some major winners will come through from this area.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

On your last point I’d disagree.

LIV is extremely appealing to young talented players - and some major winners will come through from this area.

What is appealing about it for them

Maybe the lack of any qualifying and guaranteed money ?

heck of a statement to suggest major winners will come from that pathway

Who was the young lad that was binned out last year

 

[evemccc]

I think its rather evident these days that the guys that were competing on the PGAT before they left are the same guys who are still competing in majors.

The in-betweens - Gooch etc are doing well on LIV, but they're not going to be winning any majors.

I like LIV, its entertaining and a great fan event - one thing it isn't though is a breeding ground for future major champions. They're all playing PGAT golf.

That’s slightly skewed is it not? Lets be fair….we all know that BDC was in the final pairing the last two days of the Masters and won last years US Open…we can all see that Reed came 3rd in the Masters last week…and Brooks won a major as a LIV golfer! Golfers who currently play on LIV, have objectively ‘challenged’ in Majors..

There simply are more golfers on the PGA Tour, so statistically more likely to win a Major and more are likely to ‘challenge’

If you were to ask me who are the top 3 golfers in the world currently I’d say McIlroy, Scheffler, and Xander, with Bryson and Rahm making up the top 5

I’d say this is pretty balanced…Others may disagree slightly but when tribal thinking skews into something ridiculous, it’s pointless engaging in debate

 

[Bdill93]

What is appealing about it for them

Maybe the lack of any qualifying and guaranteed money ?

heck of a statement to suggest major winners will come from that pathway

Who was the young lad that was binned out last year

Yeah, I share this sentiment - who even shows any sign of it?

Again - I like LIV, always have, but for me its more of an exhibition of entertaining golf with pre-established big names and personalities on show. Its not a pathway to major success at all.

 

[Fore Right]

What is appealing about it for them

Maybe the lack of any qualifying and guaranteed money ?

heck of a statement to suggest major winners will come from that pathway

Who was the young lad that was binned out last year

I suppose the argument could be if he had played better and finished in the top 24 he couldnt have been binned out

 

[Bdill93]

That’s slightly skewed is it not? Lets be fair….we all know that BDC was in the final pairing the last two days of the Masters and won last years US Open…we can all see that Reed came 3rd in the Masters last week…and Brooks won a major as a LIV golfer! Golfers who currently play on LIV, have objectively ‘challenged’ in Majors..

There simply are more golfers on the PGA Tour, so statistically more likely to win a Major and more are likely to ‘challenge’

If you were to ask me who are the top 3 golfers in the world currently I’d say McIlroy, Scheffler, and Xander, with Bryson and Rahm making up the top 5

I agree with most of what you say - but re-read my point.

Everyone you named was pre-established on the PGAT.

Name me any player who moved to LIV and now competes at a higher level than they achieved before. Bryson - Major Champ, Brooks - Major Champ, Reed - Major Champ.

I have not said they don't have some of the best players - they do.

 

[Neilds]

That’s slightly skewed is it not? Lets be fair….we all know that BDC was in the final pairing the last two days of the Masters and won last years US Open…we can all see that Reed came 3rd in the Masters last week…and Brooks won a major as a LIV golfer! Golfers who currently play on LIV, have objectively ‘challenged’ in Majors..

There simply are more golfers on the PGA Tour, so statistically more likely to win a Major and more are likely to ‘challenge’

If you were to ask me who are the top 3 golfers in the world currently I’d say McIlroy, Scheffler, and Xander, with Bryson and Rahm making up the top 5

I’d say this is pretty balanced…Others may disagree slightly but when tribal thinking skews into something ridiculous, it’s pointless engaging in debate

Do you realise you have tried to argue a point and actually backed up what Bdill93 was saying. He said that players who were competing before LIV are the ones competing now at Majors - you backed that up by mentioning Bryson, Reed and Brooks. The point made was that it is hard to see new, young winners coming from LIV and nothing you have said counters this so you have not made a balanced post.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I suppose the argument could be if he had played better and finished in the top 24 he couldnt have been binned out

That’s the issue with the standings - he performed a lot better than many others that managed to stay because of the way the league is structured

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

On your last point I’d disagree.

LIV is extremely appealing to young talented players - and some major winners will come through from this area.

Once again. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest this is the case.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

That’s slightly skewed is it not? Lets be fair….we all know that BDC was in the final pairing the last two days of the Masters and won last years US Open…we can all see that Reed came 3rd in the Masters last week…and Brooks won a major as a LIV golfer! Golfers who currently play on LIV, have objectively ‘challenged’ in Majors..

There simply are more golfers on the PGA Tour, so statistically more likely to win a Major and more are likely to ‘challenge’

If you were to ask me who are the top 3 golfers in the world currently I’d say McIlroy, Scheffler, and Xander, with Bryson and Rahm making up the top 5

I’d say this is pretty balanced…Others may disagree slightly but when tribal thinking skews into something ridiculous, it’s pointless engaging in debate

I think it’s not a stretch to say they are the current best 5 golfers


But I think the point was that those players on LIV that won or challenged in majors were already established players who won majors and challenged for others before they went to LIV as well

It’s looking at the ones below those

 

[wjemather]

That’s the issue with the standings - he performed a lot better than many others that managed to stay because of the way the league is structured

Countless players have lost their cards on the traditional tours by a few dollars/euros/pounds while someone else sits on a multi-year exemption missing cuts every week, yet I don't see anyone claiming that is an issue.

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

I think it’s not a stretch to say they are the current best 5 golfers


But I think the point was that those players on LIV that won or challenged in majors were already established players who won majors and challenged for others before they went to LIV as well

It’s looking at the ones below those

Didn’t someone recently claim Joaquin Niemann was the best player in the world currently?

Or are his performances against lower class fields flattering him somewhat?

I would disagree Rahm is top 5 as he’s done nothing in recent majors to suggest he is. Aberg is currently the better player in my opinion.

 

[Mel Smooth]

Once again. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest this is the case.

So why did Tom McKibbin snub the PGAT to join LIV?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Countless players have lost their cards on the traditional tours by a few dollars/euros/pounds while someone else sits on a multi-year exemption missing cuts every week, yet I don't see anyone claiming that is an issue.

Have they ?

Interesting to see the list

Is that exemptions earned through their performances as opposed to being a “captain”

 

[Arthur Wedge]

So why did Tom McKibbin snub the PGAT to join LIV?

Why do you think

 

[Mel Smooth]

Why do you think

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So LIV offers better T’s and C’s for young golfers

You have an issue with that?