Swango1980
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Job done. Topic is:I'd definitely have pressed the button again on that one. Spin again.........
Typewriters
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I agree. But one of the problems Liv faces right in this regard is that the ones that are playing the very best golf on Liv are not playing best golf in majors. So it becomes impossible to assess what that number should be, especially someone like Gooch who came 10th last year but barely teed it up outside of Liv.
Start very small (as some have done this year) and move from there, if needed.
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C7usk
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And now I have just spent 5 mins reading about typewriters..
D-S
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Oh no it wasnāt!
WorldHandicapSystem
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Except nobody is talking about the next Liv event. Itās a sideshow.We are Trending even when the next LIV event is well over a week awayā¦.View attachment 57707
See. I knew we could argue about anything. My work here is done lol
Mel Smooth
Hacker
So as nobody is talking about this weeks PGAT event, by default, is that a sideshow?
Fore Right
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The Heritage is a Historic Event on a proper signature golf course.
Any event straight after The Masters is going to feel like "after the lords mayors show." no matter what it is.. with a lot of major players having a rest.
wjemather
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Similar could be said about PGA Tour players, so it's not really an argument that stands up to much scrutiny.
However, it's certainly easier to justify having winners of LIV events than it is winners of weak field PGA Tour events, for which major exemptions are being questioned by the media - Fred Ridley avoided directly answering the question when asked prior to the Masters. However, it's not just one-time winners of those lesser PGA Tour events who have made little impact in majors - it's simply a different kind of golf to the soft resort course buffets they face most weeks.
Offering exemptions to the top players on the LIV standings doesn't really change the Masters field much - just one of last season's top-8 weren't in the field this year (Oosthuizen).
And nor would tournament winner exemptions - only 4 tournament winners between Masters weren't there (Steele, Ortiz, Meronk, Leishman).
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wjemather
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Keeping it golf and discussion related, I can't help but wonder if there could be someone here who would try and argue that Henry Cotton wasn't world class because he never won a PGA Tour event and didn't record a top-10 finish in a US "major" (especially if he had been a LIV golfer).I've just gone onto a random topic generator. The topic that was given was:
Cotton
Get your debates ready
Arthur Wedge
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He won three opens did he not ?
Itās an impressive stretch to attempt to make some sort of relevance to judgments about people who won zero majors
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Whoosh
With your first retort being so far out of whack I debated whether to bother with the rest. The best of the PGAT have absolutely repeated that in majors.
But yes, Iāve already referenced that many of the one time winners on PGAT in weaker fields should rightly be scrutinised and, in my opinion, changed to an extent. It hasnāt adapted to the fact the PGAT is essentially 2 divisions now.
āResort course buffetsā is the very definition of all but 2 stops on Liv. Easy set ups on easy courses is the Liv m.o - which is their prerogative as they seek to appeal and grow to a younger clip driven, highlight based audience.
Again, the very best performers on Liv havenāt translated that into major form. That is a problem for Liv. It will undoubtedly change at some point.
wjemather
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In the past 2 seasons, the top 8 in the end of season standings on LIV have recorded 2 major wins and 11 other top-10s (plus two top-10s in the Olympics) during those seasons.
Fore Right
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Oh dont use actual facts on this thread
Arthur Wedge
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Oh dont use actual facts on this thread
Well it is very flexible - Iām guessing ātop 8ā was used because it allowed BDC to be included last year.
But Matts point was highlighted the ātopā performers- ie the ones at the very top of the standings each season havenāt performed in the majors in the year
So DJ , Gooch , Niemann and Rahm are the guys who have performed the best on LIV - but all 4 havenāt replicated that form in Majors
Now obviously you can go down the rankings and find the odd player who has done well in majors
There has been a lot of ādemandsā from LIV fans to allow the likes of Gooch , Burmester etc to be allowed to enter into the majors based on their form on LIV - when its very flimsy that form in LIV would mean they would replicate in majors and therefore enhance the major
Which then goes back to Goochs statement of āthe best players not playing in majorsā etc - when itās very clear the very best do play in the majors
pendodave
Tour Rookie
Well, they are golffacts (shades of Mrs P Read!), but what exactly are they meant to demonstrate?Oh dont use actual facts on this thread
I'm genuinely curious as to what point is being made.
The whoās where on what rankings might have an element of credibility, from both sides of the argument, but the whoās where on rankings and does it equate to other tours has been going on for donkeyās years.
Did a star on the old Sunshine tour migrate comfortably onto the next level? Same with the Tartan, Challenge, Korn tours. And then the old argument of European tour rankings āvā the PGA tour.
For all the āxā hasnāt performed since he shifted tours, have a look at what they did before they switched. Some were already waning. Some, quite rightly, jumped for the wages. Some of the strugglers on the PGA tour that moved across will have been fearful of keeping their card, and maybe even sleeping in an RVā¦
Rahm hasnāt had the best of times but rather than leap at a conclusion that says LIV is to blame(maybe it is), a quick Look at other top performers whoāve fell off a cliff clearly shows it just happens. Maybe thereās issues at home - kid very ill, wife very unhappy being left stuck with the kids. Maybe heās carrying an injury. Or maybe heās done a Sandy Lyle, and lost it.
The āthey split golfā is a poor argument really. How many regular European tour golfers can decide today to play on next weekās PGA tour comp? The games been fractured for donkeyās years. Hell, long before LIV thereās been arguments about who hasnāt had an invite to the Masters or US Open.
People are splitting hairs and manufacturing argumentsā¦ *shakes head ruefully and wanders off to the pub*
Did a star on the old Sunshine tour migrate comfortably onto the next level? Same with the Tartan, Challenge, Korn tours. And then the old argument of European tour rankings āvā the PGA tour.
For all the āxā hasnāt performed since he shifted tours, have a look at what they did before they switched. Some were already waning. Some, quite rightly, jumped for the wages. Some of the strugglers on the PGA tour that moved across will have been fearful of keeping their card, and maybe even sleeping in an RVā¦
Rahm hasnāt had the best of times but rather than leap at a conclusion that says LIV is to blame(maybe it is), a quick Look at other top performers whoāve fell off a cliff clearly shows it just happens. Maybe thereās issues at home - kid very ill, wife very unhappy being left stuck with the kids. Maybe heās carrying an injury. Or maybe heās done a Sandy Lyle, and lost it.
The āthey split golfā is a poor argument really. How many regular European tour golfers can decide today to play on next weekās PGA tour comp? The games been fractured for donkeyās years. Hell, long before LIV thereās been arguments about who hasnāt had an invite to the Masters or US Open.
People are splitting hairs and manufacturing argumentsā¦ *shakes head ruefully and wanders off to the pub*
AussieKB
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I like the part 'wanders off to the pub'
