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[Deleted member 21784]

A concert ?‍

And most there because it was free and went after the actual golf was finished

@Bdill93 was there and when he arrived he said there were loads of people .. even if free that's still foot traffic.

 

[Mel Smooth]

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I’ve no idea whether it will fail or not as I don’t know what LIVs objectives are. Maybe as the LIV cheerleader on here you could tell us what they are?

To be honest I’m just amused at you blindly pushing everything associated with this event like it has been a monumental success.

Yes it was the first LIV event, but the quality of golf and overall product is second rate compared to the Canadian Open.

There are better golfers in the Canadian Open, and some of the golf at Centurion was exceptionally good - i watched a lot of it, as you obviously have?

 

[Beezerk]

@Bdill93 was there and when he arrived he said there were loads of people .. even if free that's still foot traffic.

You’re wasting your time mate.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

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There are better golfers in the Canadian Open, and some of the golf at Centurion was exceptionally good - i watched a lot of it, as you obviously have?

I did watch a bit of the LIV. The quality of golf wasn’t exceptionally good at all. It was quite poor. But given the field it wasn’t a surprise.

I particularly enjoyed watching Blandy miss a long putt when he was already 9 over.

 

[mikejohnchapman]

This is well worth a watch.
Very good description of where we are currently at with the Liv Golf Tour and it's impact.

Interesting perspective from an American point of view. Left me wondering:

• Can the PGA tour prevent players being selected for the rest of the world in the President Cup?
• If all these guys join the Asian Tour why would the masters not consider them as they consider Asian Tour members currently? You don't have to be a member of the PGA tour to play in the Masters (do you?).
• What about those players who have exemptions - not mentioned.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Guys
Please respect others opinions, even if they differ from yours

Ta

 

[Mel Smooth]

I did watch a bit of the LIV. The quality of golf wasn’t exceptionally good at all. It was quite poor. But given the field it wasn’t a surprise.

I particularly enjoyed watching Blandy miss a long putt when he was already 9 over.

I said some of it was exceptionally good.

Blandy is in the US Open next week, I expect you'll be hoping he misses a load of putts over there as well?

 

[rksquire]

I was interested in it before it started, feeling some of the golf criticism was unfair (the funding source being fair game), and in the end quite enjoyed it. By Saturday the team element had become more interesting as I understood it better and can see some weeks how that will mean even guys not in contention will still be relevant - a birdie here and there could change things and therefore impact team standings and prizes. The course wasn't easy. Some of the golf was really good. I thought the crowds were fine - but then I seen the Canadian Open and thought that's more like how it should be.

I liked the shotgun start, and the fact it all wraps up at the same time. They managed to present a golf product that didn't include pictures of people walking their dog, surfing, wildlife, flowers, a bridge etc. But I also thought, this might be problematic in the future - there is something dramatic about contenders playing treacherous holes coming down the stretch; in this format, someone on a good run may already have played the treacherous holes.

There was maybe more drama of the course - PGA Tours announcement followed by LIVs unveiling of new members.

Also, The Canadian Open crowd is quite boisterous aren't they? Maybe they always are, but I wonder is there a siege type mentality coming in? And, absolutely, Sky, the crowd and I'm sure the PGA Tour are hoping for a McIlroy or Thomas win. But just looking at the top 53 players currently on the leaderboard (as a comparison to LIVs field) - 22 of the 53 I've no idea who they are, and that includes some with a chance of winning.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

@Bdill93 was there and when he arrived he said there were loads of people .. even if free that's still foot traffic.

The crowds were nowhere near the level of the as an example the British Masters at both Woburn and the Grove.

People went to the Centurion as it was a freebie and I suspect most were already golf fans

Then later in the evening they had a concert which someone highlights as “growing the game” but they were mainly freebies once again and people who arrived after the golf

So at the end of the day it’s prob not “grown the game” - it’s made a good number of golfers richer regardless of how they played and it was just 54 holes instead of 72.

Did you drive to go and watch it ?

There appears to be from a section this desire to make a short sharp format - it’s been tried with a few events and not worked , the players are only going to these events because they are being paid handsomely. At some point they will stop paying those vast amounts and it will prob end up a Euro Pro level event.

The only way it moves forward successfully is if they get those cream of the game right now whose career is on the up , do that and people will notice the events more for the golfers as opposed to the money being paid

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I said some of it was exceptionally good.

Blandy is in the US Open next week, I expect you'll be hoping he misses a load of putts over there as well?

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[Leftitshort]

Yes, it has long been the goal of Saudi Arabia to grow the game of golf world wide. The love their golf there, it is every mans game, and has deep roots in Saudi sport and cluture. Now that they have billions to put to the good of humanity, they see how much of the world has, unlike them, been deprived of the joy of golf. And they want to right that wrong. Spread the world of golf around the globe so that it is not the preserve of rich Saudis.

Thinking about it. LIV have missed a trick . If they really wanted to grow the game, buy some legitimacy & cause some real morality shockwaves, they could have bought the womens tour, or put on an event similar to that in Sweden. I suspect this would have been unpalatable for the backers however, wonder why?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

The crowds were nowhere near the level of the as an example the British Masters at both Woburn and the Grove.

People went to the Centurion as it was a freebie and I suspect most were already golf fans

Then later in the evening they had a concert which someone highlights as “growing the game” but they were mainly freebies once again and people who arrived after the golf

So at the end of the day it’s prob not “grown the game” - it’s made a good number of golfers richer regardless of how they played and it was just 54 holes instead of 72.

Did you drive to go and watch it ?

There appears to be from a section this desire to make a short sharp format - it’s been tried with a few events and not worked , the players are only going to these events because they are being paid handsomely. At some point they will stop paying those vast amounts and it will prob end up a Euro Pro level event.

The only way it moves forward successfully is if they get those cream of the game right now whose career is on the up , do that and people will notice the events more for the golfers as opposed to the money being paid

No I didn't drive to watch it. I worked and had it on in the background , it was a good first attempt

Sky have offered freebies in the past.

As I have stated many times the Liv tour have said year one doesn't need to be a massive hit in terms of stars etc it just is a beta testing year. I'm sure they will (like any beta tested product) learn and change from feedback.

It was a lot better than most assumed

It's also growing in terms of players day by day

 

[Leftitshort]

It's also growing in terms of players day by day

Attracting more golfing mercenaries doesn’t = growing the game.

 

[Imurg]

The amount of cash they're dishing out is certainly growing....

 

[Mel Smooth]

Thinking about it. LIV have missed a trick . If they really wanted to grow the game, buy some legitimacy & cause some real morality shockwaves, they could have bought the womens tour, or put on an event similar to that in Sweden. I suspect this would have been unpalatable for the backers however, wonder why?

You mean like this...

https://aramcoteamseries.com/

 

[Deleted member 1147]

I’ll certainly miss watching Paddy Reed’s short game masterclass each week on the PGA tour.
The guy is a magician on & around the green.

 

[howbow88]

I’ve no idea whether it will fail or not as I don’t know what LIVs objectives are. Maybe as the LIV cheerleader on here you could tell us what they are?

It's definitely to grow the game. Definitely.

 

[Leftitshort]

You mean like this...

https://aramcoteamseries.com/

Yep like that. But it’s building on a pre existing tour event in Saudi. If they really wanted to disrupt the world of golf they could have bankrolled the LET.
I should work for their marketing dept, for a small fortune I’d show them how to sports wash their blood soaked image ?subject to my own moral compass

 

[Mel Smooth]

The LIV series You Tube channel, has now had a total of 3 million views, and people scoffed when I said millions would watch it. ;-)

What are we going for by the end of the final event, 100 million views?

 

[Mel Smooth]

Yep like that. But it’s building on a pre existing tour event in Saudi. If they really wanted to disrupt the world of golf they could have bankrolled the LET.
I should work for their marketing dept, for a small fortune I’d show them how to sports wash their blood soaked image ?subject to my own moral compass

I think they approached the ladies tours to offer an invite to the LIV series, but they turned it down. Personally I'd love to see a few female golfers resign from their tours and join the LIV series.