LIV Golf

[Lord Tyrion]

Sorry, didn't realise we could only be Pro-LIV on this thread

Not compulsory but what is happening on this thread is trolling, persistent trolling. It would not be acceptable on the other threads and it shouldn't be here.

 

[Fore Right]

Lets get back to the golf on this golf forum chaps

So learnt a little more about Las Vegas CC in the last couple of days.

• Traditional golf course
• Tree lined so accuracy off the tee needed.
• Not the longest
• Its in incredible condition , the greens in particular
• Is soft after some rainy days recently so scoring expected to be very low.

So looks like no real advantage for the bombers in the field.

Who is your money on ?

 

[Bdill93]

Lets get back to the golf on this golf forum chaps

So learnt a little more about Las Vegas CC in the last couple of days.

• Traditional golf course
• Tree lined so accuracy off the tee needed.
• Not the longest
• Its in incredible condition , the greens in particular
• Is soft after some rainy days recently so scoring expected to be very low.

So looks like no real advantage for the bombers in the field.

Who is your money on ?

Rahm

 

[Mel Smooth]

Lets get back to the golf on this golf forum chaps

So learnt a little more about Las Vegas CC in the last couple of days.

• Traditional golf course
• Tree lined so accuracy off the tee needed.
• Not the longest
• Its in incredible condition , the greens in particular
• Is soft after some rainy days recently so scoring expected to be very low.

So looks like no real advantage for the bombers in the field.

Who is your money on ?

Niemann was incredibly accurate particularly especially on day 1 at Mayakoba - and has consistent form.

Sergio has shown he is still competitive - and strikes the ball beautifully - but will he be fatigued by that play off defeat.

The greens should suit Cam but he’s got sawn off shotgun accuracy off the tee, so that should rule him out.

Rahm, he’s gonna be up there 100%

Reed. He’s surely going to love the Vegas crowd.

And Burmester, again, showed great form recently with a few wins in the DPWT.

Reed, Burmester and Niemann to finish top 5 - I might have a little each way bet on those 3.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Lets get back to the golf on this golf forum chaps

So learnt a little more about Las Vegas CC in the last couple of days.

• Traditional golf course
• Tree lined so accuracy off the tee needed.
• Not the longest
• Its in incredible condition , the greens in particular
• Is soft after some rainy days recently so scoring expected to be very low.

So looks like no real advantage for the bombers in the field.

Who is your money on ?

If it's soft bombers have an advantage as everyone will lose roll, thus carry is all important.
Also, when soft it widens targets, so accuracy is less important.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1755542650529235285

Scheffler the next player to come out and state than any players returning need to pay some sort of punishment or fine etc

He hasn’t appeared over the years to be the most vocal of players but seems that a lot of the top US players since the deal with SSG are drawing a line in the sand

It’s looking more and more like there will be two seperate tours for the foreseeable future especially when you read about the current investigation into the merger and responses

PGAT will need to keep finding the sponsers

And LIV will need to make in roads into being sustainable etc

 

[Fore Right]

If it's soft bombers have an advantage as everyone will lose roll, thus carry is all important.
Also, when soft it widens targets, so accuracy is less important.

Its very soft, Just found this on YT

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Its very soft, Just found this on YT

I thought it only rained in Vegas when I'm there

 

[Slab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1755542650529235285

Scheffler the next player to come out and state than any players returning need to pay some sort of punishment or fine etc

He hasn’t appeared over the years to be the most vocal of players but seems that a lot of the top US players since the deal with SSG are drawing a line in the sand

It’s looking more and more like there will be two seperate tours for the foreseeable future especially when you read about the current investigation into the merger and responses

PGAT will need to keep finding the sponsers

And LIV will need to make in roads into being sustainable etc

I thought Scheffler was very articulate in his interview and actually said a "contribution to the tour/caveat to returning"

GM decided to add their own interpretation & change that to "Price for returning" & you've further changed it to "need to pay some sort of punishment or fine"

I'm not sure what's wrong with just using the same words Scheffler actually used

 

[LincolnShep]

I‘m not sure your comment stands up to scrutiny. For example, how can John Rahm, Bryson de Chambeau, Bruce Koepka, Dustin Johnson et al play on both tours at exactly the same time? @BridgfordBlue made a valid comment, i.e. that the fields are split/diluted because there’s another tour that has ‘pinched’ some of the top guys.

I didn't realise there was a third Koepka brother, how many more are there?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I thought Scheffler was very articulate in his interview and actually said a "contribution to the tour/caveat to returning"

GM decided to add their own interpretation & change that to "Price for returning" & you've further changed it to "need to pay some sort of punishment or fine"

I'm not sure what's wrong with just using the same words Scheffler actually used

Is a “contribution/caveat” just a polite words for paying some sort of monetary value towards the tour ( ie a fine )

We can all read between the lines , Rory doesn’t think there should be any issue - The likes of Thomas , Spieth and no Scheffler think that it shouldn’t be that easy

 

[Swango1980]

I didn't realise there was a third Koepka brother, how many more are there?

Golf runs in many families. Never heard of Jean Rahm, Tyson DeChambeau, Justin Johnson, Bill Mickleson and Squirrel Hatton?

 

[Slab]

Is a “contribution/caveat” just a polite words for paying some sort of monetary value towards the tour ( ie a fine )

We can all read between the lines , Rory doesn’t think there should be any issue - The likes of Thomas , Spieth and no Scheffler think that it shouldn’t be that easy

Who knows, maybe he did mean that or maybe he meant a contribution by way of a commitment to promoting/attending tour events or a time contribution to PGAT youth development or to pgat sponsors or player boards or a caveat limiting returning players to a maximum number of pgat tours events in year 1-2 etc... who knows.

What he didn't say was that they need to be punished or fined (words more commonly used for lawbreakers/criminals/wrongdoers)

 

[evemccc]

It’s part of Greg Norman’s vision , instead of having the best players playing on one tour he wanted to see those best players play around the world , because of the PGaT many previously top events - Aus Open , British Masters , PGA etc lost a lot of their top players because the players travelled to “conquer” the US and it gave them a better road to the majors

It worked as well -Europeans , South Africans , Aussies etc started to compete in the Majors and winning them - especially in the US

I think the idea of the better players playing in other areas - Aus , Europe etc more is a good thing - but I’m not sure if it should be just the top 50 etc - they tried that with WGC and it didn’t work so well outside the US

It does help with the sponsers and marketing etc knowing who will turn up

From this week events on the PGA will ramp up

Waste Management
Genesis
Arnold Palmer
The Players


The ET also hits Africa and then Asia swing

So lots of different courses and the top PGA players will play in most of them

Yes, so you agree in principle it’s a ‘good thing’ for golf to not be so US centric (and despite 21st globalisation, the trend in the last 25 yrs is for it to be more US centric than ever)

So in the last couple of years since LIV got started how else could this have been achieved ‘as part of the establishment / status quo eco-system’ because famously the PGA Tour didn’t ‘take the call’ - so to operate with what you have stated Rory now wants (and have praised as a good thing) ie an elite fixed group of top golf talent playing at the end of the PGA season, how could that have happened?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes, so you agree in principle it’s a ‘good thing’ for golf to not be so US centric (and despite 21st globalisation, the trend in the last 25 yrs is for it to be more US centric than ever)

So in the last couple of years since LIV got started how else could this have been achieved ‘as part of the establishment / status quo eco-system’ because famously the PGA Tour didn’t ‘take the call’ - so to operate with what you have stated Rory now wants (and have praised as a good thing) ie an elite fixed group of top golf talent playing at the end of the PGA season, how could that have happened?

Have never liked the Pro sport being US centric but that is the highest market and the area where all the Sponsers were coughing up the money

A lot of the events in Europe etc lots sponsers so it was always going to struggle

Even before LIV there was a tour going around the world - playing in all the countries - Europe , Asia , Africa , Australia - why didn’t the players play in those events if they were so concerned about “global game” - because they don’t care about that , there was established events in all the countries LIV goes too - it hasn’t opened any new doors

And LIV - where have most of their events been ? The US , where will half their events be this year - the US

Where in the world do events get rhe biggest crowds - the US

Look at the empty spaces at Mexico , look at the lack of spectators in the Middle East . Asia , Africa etc - the appetite is not there around the world because golf in many countries is way down the list of popularity

It’s played in a number of countries but its popularity is very varied.

 

[BridgfordBlue]

AT&T just finished. Stats say-

2021 had 5 players from top 50 (owgr)

2024 had 40 players from top 50


So, either your perception is incorrect, or the ranking system...

(or perhaps a bit of both)

The ranking system has quite clearly changed quite a lot, that and that particular event has changed too as it’s now a designated event.

It’s less about the overall volume though, more the variety.

 

[Mel Smooth]

LIV players are playing frequently on the DPWT, paying a fine, and getting on with it.
Nobody bats an eyelid.

Aren’t we just looking at a similar situation for any players that might want to play in a few PGAT events?

 

[Fore Right]

Should just let them play in any DPWT or PGAT events but they can't earn any of the prize money.

OWGR pts are worth more to them.

Simple really...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

LIV players are playing frequently on the DPWT, paying a fine, and getting on with it.
Nobody bats an eyelid.

Aren’t we just looking at a similar situation for any players that might want to play in a few PGAT events?

Players right now are not playing on DP events if still on LIV unless the event is co sanctioned which is why many of them played in Aus and SA - they aren’t paying any fines

Wiesburger left LIV paid fines and rejoined the tour

Others that played in the first event didn’t leave but paid fines and rejoined but aren’t on LIV

 

[wjemather]

LIV players are playing frequently on the DPWT, paying a fine, and getting on with it.
Nobody bats an eyelid.

Aren’t we just looking at a similar situation for any players that might want to play in a few PGAT events?

There's only a 4 event minimum on the DP World Tour, which makes it very easy to do both. The minimums on the PGA Tour would be a huge obstacle to retaining playing membership there.