LIV Golf

[ColchesterFC]

Apple and Amazon reported as turning down the chance to broadcast LIV golf next year. Looks like this is just for the US as previous posts have indicated that it's already being broadcast on TV in other parts of the world. Is it already broadcast on TV in Europe or just on YouTube?

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[Backsticks]

Just youtube in the UK, but may have different deals in other countries. Sky is still going all in on PGAT/WT and terrestrial channels not interested here. For the moment. I would guess none of them want the bad publicity and controversy it would bring.

 

[evemccc]

Just youtube in the UK, but may have different deals in other countries. Sky is still going all in on PGAT/WT and terrestrial channels not interested here. For the moment. I would guess none of them want the bad publicity and controversy it would bring.

Sky loved the idea of facilitating the promotion of two Anthony Joshua boxing matches in Saudi Arabia tho — certainly had no issue with that -

And I don’t follow football really, but I would be shocked if they ever had an issue with NUFC and debated this critically, before live they broadcast their matches

 

[Swango1980]

Sky loved the idea of facilitating the promotion of two Anthony Joshua boxing matches in Saudi Arabia tho — certainly had no issue with that -

And I don’t follow football really, but I would be shocked if they ever had an issue with NUFC and debated this critically, before live they broadcast their matches

However, a top class boxing match featuring Anthony Joshua, or Premier League matches featuring NUFC are credible sporting events, played in the same manner elite events were played before and Middle East link. They remain credible events, and any controversy ifms just a backstory.

LIV golf is not a credible golfing tour, played in the same vain as the elite events pre LIV. It is a group of random professional golfers asked to play in a string of random golf competitions. Just because it entertains some people, does not make it credible in terms of elite competitive sport. It has a long way to go to earn those stripes. So, main broadcasters are not likely to invest in an event that is unlikely to be supported by a significant number of golf fans, especially due to the controversial links it has.

 

[4LEX]

Now that LIV have a fairly decent cohort of players, I think theres a alot of resentment that they've literally devalued every golf event by taking away some big names. Saudi Arabia have diluted professional golf and everyone loses out apart from them and Greg Norman. It's going to risk tarnishing the majors and the Ryder Cup, a century of history and tradition down the drain.

 

[Backsticks]

Majors no.
Ryder Cup, yes. Infact, already now tarnished, now obsolete.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Majors no.
Ryder Cup, yes. Infact, already now tarnished, now obsolete.

Nonsense.

The European team will be stronger with the old guard gone. And the USA have such strength in depth no one will notice those that are missing.

 

[Crow]

Nonsense.

The European team will be stronger with the old guard gone. And the USA have such strength in depth no one will notice those that are missing.

Ryder Cup is dead in the water for me.

 

[Backsticks]

Nonsense.

The European team will be stronger with the old guard gone. And the USA have such strength in depth no one will notice those that are missing.

Nonsense.

The European team will be stronger with the old guard gone. And the USA have such strength in depth no one will notice those that are missing.

Yes, the European team, with the current defectors, will be unaffected. But the US team wont be picking from the full deck, so its no longer a first team selection. So Ryder Cup that wont mean anything, especially if Europe were to win it. Either way, as long as Saudi GT around, and either team not fielding full strength teams, its in hibernation as a serious sporting contest. Cant see myself watching it any more. If the Saudis folded their tent though, and it was back to proper first choice teams, then it could revive some day.

 

[BubbaP]

Now that LIV have a fairly decent cohort of players, I think theres a alot of resentment that they've literally devalued every golf event by taking away some big names. Saudi Arabia have diluted professional golf and everyone loses out apart from them and Greg Norman. It's going to risk tarnishing the majors and the Ryder Cup, a century of history and tradition down the drain.

That's a big shout. There are 12 professional golf events this weekend listed on OWGR.
Where are Scheffler, Cantlay, Schauffele, Rahm, Thomas, Morikawa playing?

 

[4LEX]

That's a big shout. There are 12 professional golf events this weekend listed on OWGR.
Where are Scheffler, Cantlay, Schauffele, Rahm, Thomas, Morikawa playing?

You have a point. I was talking mainly about the biggest events and into next year.

Sadly this is one of those situations where theres no winner, only losers.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes, the European team, with the current defectors, will be unaffected. But the US team wont be picking from the full deck, so its no longer a first team selection. So Ryder Cup that wont mean anything, especially if Europe were to win it. Either way, as long as Saudi GT around, and either team not fielding full strength teams, its in hibernation as a serious sporting contest. Cant see myself watching it any more. If the Saudis folded their tent though, and it was back to proper first choice teams, then it could revive some day.

You always seem to have a very extreme strange view

The Ryder Cup will be just as big if not bigger next regards of missing a couple of Yanks who will be easily replaced

To suggest it’s obsolete is complete nonsense

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's a big shout. There are 12 professional golf events this weekend listed on OWGR.
Where are Scheffler, Cantlay, Schauffele, Rahm, Thomas, Morikawa playing?

it’s downtime for a number of the players after the long season and before the Presidents Cup next week

 

[Harry Putter]

Now that LIV have a fairly decent cohort of players, I think theres a alot of resentment that they've literally devalued every golf event by taking away some big names. Saudi Arabia have diluted professional golf and everyone loses out apart from them and Greg Norman. It's going to risk tarnishing the majors and the Ryder Cup, a century of history and tradition down the drain.

This absolutely

The only winners are Greg Norman, who's fluffed up ego is even more fluffed up now.. and the multi-millionaire players who are even richer with cash that to be honest, they don't really need.

For the average golf fanatic they are watching weakened fields in DP, PGA and LIV events.. they can no longer watch the best in the world at a tournament, competing against the fellow best in the world... apart from maybe 4 events a year. It's just sad for the game, sad for the punter and sad for the tradition.

I hope GN is happy with both his bank account and the divisive split he's helped create in a sport that had centuries of history and will never be the same again.

 

[BubbaP]

it’s downtime for a number of the players after the long season and before the Presidents Cup next week

I agree with your statement, but have no idea what relevance it has ?‍

Are you saying you agree or disagree that " that they've literally devalued every golf event"?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree with your statement, but have no idea what relevance it has ?‍

Are you saying you agree or disagree that " that they've literally devalued every golf event"?

You asked where the players were ?‍

Even without LIV the current event wouldn’t have had too many if any big players playing

I don’t think they have “devalued” every event. The good thing about golf is the next superstar is around the corner -the next Scheffler will be here soon , players will replace the likes of Smith

 

[BubbaP]

This absolutely

The only winners are Greg Norman, who's fluffed up ego is even more fluffed up now.. and the multi-millionaire players who are even richer with cash that to be honest, they don't really need.

For the average golf fanatic they are watching weakened fields in DP, PGA and LIV events.. they can no longer watch the best in the world at a tournament, competing against the fellow best in the world... apart from maybe 4 events a year. It's just sad for the game, sad for the punter and sad for the tradition.

I hope GN is happy with both his bank account and the divisive split he's helped create in a sport that had centuries of history and will never be the same again.

Think it's a bit more nuanced than that.
Last weeks DPWT event was the strongest field it’s had for many years.
Prior to this year how often could you actually "watch the best in the world at a tournament, competing against the fellow best in the world" , outside of the 4 majors?
I think there is a case for The Players Championship maybe, but not much else.

 

[evemccc]

However, a top class boxing match featuring Anthony Joshua, or Premier League matches featuring NUFC are credible sporting events, played in the same manner elite events were played before and Middle East link. They remain credible events, and any controversy ifms just a backstory.

LIV golf is not a credible golfing tour, played in the same vain as the elite events pre LIV. It is a group of random professional golfers asked to play in a string of random golf competitions. Just because it entertains some people, does not make it credible in terms of elite competitive sport. It has a long way to go to earn those stripes. So, main broadcasters are not likely to invest in an event that is unlikely to be supported by a significant number of golf fans, especially due to the controversial links it has.

That all may be true about LIV’s credibility — but that isn’t true for Sky Sports - IMO they’re interested in making money….don’t forget they broadcasted Logan Paul, a YouTuber vs Floyd Mayweather, Mayweather vs McGregor — both circuses

So that’s why I think Sky and others are invested in the PGA Tour and dislike LIV not out of moral principle or credibility, but because that’s were they have existing contracts

 

[BubbaP]

However, a top class boxing match featuring Anthony Joshua, or Premier League matches featuring NUFC are credible sporting events, played in the same manner elite events were played before and Middle East link. They remain credible events, and any controversy ifms just a backstory.

LIV golf is not a credible golfing tour, played in the same vain as the elite events pre LIV. It is a group of random professional golfers asked to play in a string of random golf competitions. Just because it entertains some people, does not make it credible in terms of elite competitive sport. It has a long way to go to earn those stripes. So, main broadcasters are not likely to invest in an event that is unlikely to be supported by a significant number of golf fans, especially due to the controversial links it has.

Kinda follow the thinking, if being provocative might question things like handicapped horse racing and F1 ??
Back to golf though, what are your thoughts in how this aligns with 'elite competitive sport'?

"Being in the top 20 of PIP will also get those players into the biggest events of the season. Regardless of how they’re playing."
Sounds a bit closer to 'entertainment' to me ...

 

[Harry Putter]

Prior to this year how often could you actually "watch the best in the world at a tournament, competing against the fellow best in the world" , outside of the 4 majors?
I think there is a case for The Players Championship maybe, but not much else.

How about last years Dubai Desert Classic for starters?

Won by Casey and in the top 6 were Brandon Stone, Laurie Canter and Sergio (all LIV), as well a couple of non-LIV players.

Do you want more examples of leaderboards that won't be the same? I will say again.. the average punter cannot now watch the best against the best, and the game is poorer for it.