LIV Golf
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Mel Smooth
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LIV have got some pretty experienced people in the boardroom, so as far as contacts go, I'd imagine they aren't short of opportunities to explore - Norman is on record as saying they had 12 (from memory) parties interested in delivering LIV either as a main broadcaster or to run alongside.
Of course these things take time to sort out, but LIV is the hottest topic in golf, and the TV networks will be keen to be part of it - I'd expect something to be in place for 2023.
LIV might be the hottest topic, but not in a good way, or in a way that makes it attractive to media.
So far, there has been no golf of any worth. So far, there is no widespread interest in what Saudi offers.
The media and public interest is in the elite pro golf civil war contest itself. With most rooting for LIV to end up as a second division midlife champions tour, and have no negative influence on proper competitive top flight pro golf.
The hottest topic in global politics at the moment is the war in the Ukraine. That doesnt mean that people want it to continue.
So far, there has been no golf of any worth. So far, there is no widespread interest in what Saudi offers.
The media and public interest is in the elite pro golf civil war contest itself. With most rooting for LIV to end up as a second division midlife champions tour, and have no negative influence on proper competitive top flight pro golf.
The hottest topic in global politics at the moment is the war in the Ukraine. That doesnt mean that people want it to continue.
Mel Smooth
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Reed has now brought a lawsuit against the Golf Channel and Chamblee -
https://www.bunkered.co.uk/golf-news/patrick-reed-sues-golf-channel-and-brandel-chamblee-for-750m
https://www.bunkered.co.uk/golf-news/patrick-reed-sues-golf-channel-and-brandel-chamblee-for-750m
Mel Smooth
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Lol, lots of people want LIV to continue backsticks - you're stretching the argument a little to compare it to a war in Ukraine.
The comparison is valid. LIV is making plenty of headlines for sure, and is the number one topic in tour pro golf talk. But thats all about the battle itself. It is not, because the sports following public and media are so interested in the Saudi tours prospects as a spectator sport per se. There is a big distinction. Its a disingenuous spin to say that the LIV prominence at the moment is indicative of the interest in what that tour has to offer.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
If a week is a long time in politics, a year is a long time in professional golf!
If the link works this is the BMW field last year
https://www.owgr.com/events/bmw-championship-9239
If the link works this is the BMW field last year
https://www.owgr.com/events/bmw-championship-9239
Sure, if by lots, you mean the few hundred people with vested financial interest in it.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
I'd disagree, the standard of golf on LIV has been 1st class by plenty of players - DJ yet to have a round over par for one.
The problem is, the golf is being overshadowed by the medias focus on the battleground between the PGA Tour, abd LIV, but for those that have taken the time to watch LIV events there has been plenty of decent golf entertainment considering it's infanct.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
And that's the problem...
No argument with Fragger's application of the rule but how can it be applied when the GM website/SM posts the same clip.
The rule has always been "if you see it in the magazine(and by default these days) online/Twitter/Instagram etc etc..its OK to post on here....
They even have a blanked out F-bomb.....
That’s what boggled me, it was clear what the blanked out word was, if people are still stupid enough to click on it only to get offended then we live in seriously dangerous times.
There can be a sporadic good round anywhere. But the standard of the fields in the Saudi tour so far is abysmal comoared to a Pgat event. The smaller field, and negligible world top 50s in it define it as second division. In no rational analysis can the golf there be considered anything as remotely as good or as comoetitive as the pgat. There is a market for the Asian tour, and the Euro tour. LIv is behind both at the moment. For those who will watch everything and anything pro golf, they might add it to their viewing. But that is minute portion of the golf spectator world at the moment. The Phil thing and money they threw at him shows how desperate and out of tune they are. No one wants to see Phil any more. The champions tour is his sphere.
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In the main Yes but not all PGA Tour Events..
Some have very weak fields on the PGA Tour as well devoid of many well known names.
Mel Smooth
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If you think LIV is behind the DP Tour, there's no point taking the conversation any further.
The DP Tour is now propped up by a few events, mainly the opens and the BMW at Wentworth - but in terms of quality of fields week in week out if you will, LIV is miles ahead.
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I think news of Cam Smith jumping ship had a lot to do with that player meeting being organised yesterday.
For the 1st time they were like hold on a top top player is going here.
Let's get all the other top players in a room to make sure no one else is thinking of doing the same and dicuss what the PGA Tour can do better.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
But it’s wrong that it takes a young top player to force their hand on this.
Crow
Crow Person
That's pretty eye-opening, I don't know all the players who've gone over to LIV but there are quite a few in that top 50.
RichA
Well-known member
I would suggest that the DP tour's advantage is that its "propped up" by a diverse raft of corporate sponsors and partners, as opposed to a single entity with questionable motives.
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But LIV is a week in week out thing.
So of course there is no dilution of field.
Mel Smooth
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Which is one area where it beats the tours, next year, 14 events with a full field, which is probably about as many “full field” events as the rest of the tours can muster between them.
rksquire
Head Pro
@Liverpoolphil and others who may be interested: The new system has seemingly no barrier to LIVs inclusion (on paper!) - neither the size of the field (above 30), the 54 holes (based on rounds) or indeed qualification requirements. The difficulty LIV has is being recognised by a board and technical committee that has members who, publicly, are opposed to it. Should it gain OGWR status, the 48 man field is a limiting factor to how upwardly mobile those who are successful would be - more more difficult to win in a 150+ field. However, using the 'new' criteria, it should be able to recognise who the best players are, regardless of Tour affiliation (supposedly - but in reality the PGAT remains king). Official extracts:
"As many of the game’s best players have risen through the ranks to compete on its biggest stages, a thriving global golf ecosystem is important to OWGR and to the organisations represented on its Governing Board. Therefore, a comprehensive impact analysis was conducted by the OWGR, with reviews internal to each organisation being held to ensure players have appropriate opportunities to advance. Also, OWGR is developing mechanisms that will assist in identifying top world wide players. These mechanisms will be provided to Majors and Tours for potential inclusion in tournaments and Tour eligibility."
"By being agnostic to Tour affiliation, the Ranking accurately evaluates Field Ratings for tournaments on all tours, providing appropriate upward mobility to reward play that is proportionate with achievement. In its analysis, OWGR ensured that consistent high-level play resulted in significant improvement in a player’s Ranking, regardless of which Tour he competes."
"Field Size – Field size has no effect on the Ranking because all fields award the appropriate number of Ranking Points for the relative performance required."
"Limited Field Tournament Shall mean a tournament which has less than 30 qualified players."
The hurdle is actually gaining status against an advisory panel that has it's own, already affiliated, position to protect.
"As many of the game’s best players have risen through the ranks to compete on its biggest stages, a thriving global golf ecosystem is important to OWGR and to the organisations represented on its Governing Board. Therefore, a comprehensive impact analysis was conducted by the OWGR, with reviews internal to each organisation being held to ensure players have appropriate opportunities to advance. Also, OWGR is developing mechanisms that will assist in identifying top world wide players. These mechanisms will be provided to Majors and Tours for potential inclusion in tournaments and Tour eligibility."
"By being agnostic to Tour affiliation, the Ranking accurately evaluates Field Ratings for tournaments on all tours, providing appropriate upward mobility to reward play that is proportionate with achievement. In its analysis, OWGR ensured that consistent high-level play resulted in significant improvement in a player’s Ranking, regardless of which Tour he competes."
"Field Size – Field size has no effect on the Ranking because all fields award the appropriate number of Ranking Points for the relative performance required."
"Limited Field Tournament Shall mean a tournament which has less than 30 qualified players."
The hurdle is actually gaining status against an advisory panel that has it's own, already affiliated, position to protect.
