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You can add Thomas to the dull as dishwater category.
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You can add Thomas to the dull as dishwater category.
GB72
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This is the thing though, very much hypothesising about what is in a contract. I am less convinced that there would be a clause to that effect unless it was all re-drafted post LIV and made specific reference. Yes, with recent actions it would have been clear that signing up to LIV would mean removal from the European Tour but, again, the impact of this would involve hypothesising about the contract. For example, does the contract merely specify the need to participate in a set number of european tour events to allow PGA Tour members to captain or does it even have that requirement bearing in mind that the position could be awarded to someone who has fully retired.
I am in no doubt that the outcome of moving to LIV would have been very clear now but I am not as convinced that this iron clad contract that people were referring to actually exists and, in fact, I am not convinced that the impact of LIV would have been acknowledged or even taken seriously when he signed up as captain.
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Very strong reports Cam Smith signed for Liv just before The Open.
When asked in his press conference whether he was joining Liv he gave the Brooks K answer of why are you asking me that when ive just won The Open.
Could have shut it down then by saying no but he didn't.
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https://www.rydercup.com/news-media/statement-from-ryder-cup-europe?amp=true
n light of decisions made by Henrik in relation to his personal circumstances, it has become clear that he will not be able to fulfil certain contractual obligations to Ryder Cup Europe that he had committed to prior to his announcement as Captain on Tuesday March 15, 2022, and it is therefore not possible for him to continue in the role of Captain.
sweaty sock
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Death by a thousand cuts though, the more players move across, the smaller the pool for the pga. Fair point most are second string really, but its not far from being the top ten, and a bunch of also rans, given how few events the top ten actually play, the pga position is definitely getting weaker.
Especially as it seems like LIV is practically guaranteeing best players always in the field...
GB72
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Amazing how many companies and organisations think that they have the contractual high ground when making initial quotes for grounds for dismissal. Cartainly a lack of specifics there and, if were the case, one suspects that they would have stated was the issue that he was no longer a member of the Euopean Tour I, on the other hand, would rather see some evidence come out before taking a position on a contractual dispute. They could very well be right but I would have been shocked if they came out and said that Stenson fulfilled all of the criteria to complete the contract but we have dismissed him anyway (not sure how well that would play should legal action be required).
r0wly86
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You think they would publish specific contractual clauses? NO employer would ever do that
dronfield
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I understood that the ET/RC committee had inserted such a clause preventing him playing on other tours?
Jimaroid
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This. And very often described as an explicit clause in contracts for good reason.
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Few familiar phrases here
"Excited to be working with Saudi Arabia"
"Golf help the transformation of the country"
"Their helping us develop the game"
Sound like Liv?
No Keith Pelley CEO of the DP World Tour talking about the European Tour in 2019.
The overwhelming stench of Hypocrisy should be coming out of everyone's devices as they now suspend their own players for doing and saying the same thing.
"Excited to be working with Saudi Arabia"
"Golf help the transformation of the country"
"Their helping us develop the game"
Sound like Liv?
No Keith Pelley CEO of the DP World Tour talking about the European Tour in 2019.
The overwhelming stench of Hypocrisy should be coming out of everyone's devices as they now suspend their own players for doing and saying the same thing.
GB72
Money List Winner
No but I think that they would issue something less generic in their statement along the lines of it being because he was no longer a member of the tour, could not enter enough events over the next year etc. It will all come out in court I suspect. Now if, as Dronfield says above, a clause was later added to the contract (which Stenson would have had to have agreed to as you cannot arbitrarily change a contract) then that would put everything in a wholly different light. But, if that were the case, I would have thought that it would be mentioned in general terms to wholly exonerate them in the public eye.
I have no horse in this race, professional golf and who runs it really does not matter that much to me, but I do see a lot of Stenson bashing without the full facts and so I tend to be drawn to stand up for the other side in those instances.
Mel Smooth
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I know somebody who has met Pelley, amongst many others in the golfing world, and he said Pelley stood out as a very bad man.
This has probably been written above already, but to me the addition of Stenson says everything any of us needs to know about LIV.
Any suggestion whatsoever that they are there to showcase the best golfers, or up and comers, is shot down in flames by the addition of a man who, in two years on the PGA Tour, has only four top 10’s in 35 starts and has missed a fistful of cuts.
This is all about giving European golf a bloody nose. Pure and simple. And it stinks to high heaven.
Any suggestion whatsoever that they are there to showcase the best golfers, or up and comers, is shot down in flames by the addition of a man who, in two years on the PGA Tour, has only four top 10’s in 35 starts and has missed a fistful of cuts.
This is all about giving European golf a bloody nose. Pure and simple. And it stinks to high heaven.
AddisonRoad
Active member
The hypocrisy is irrelevant. Why on earth would DP World Tour and PGA Tour roll over and let new investors destroy the establishment they have built for decades? It's so silly that anyone thinks the PGA should be accommodating any of this. If anything, the PGA should be taking on debt to increase purses to ensure that these players don't leave.
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
La de da! Has he chopped up a journalist or something?
Ethan
Money List Winner
I took his comments at the presser to suggest he didn't think that was an appropriate question for the situation and was trying to close it down, albeit a bit clumsily. I will be very disappointed in him if he does, but I suppose that mullet should have warned us he was a wrong'un.
But then there is this: GolfWRX on Smith
Mel Smooth
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See, these are the kind of comments the anti LIV brigade have to resort to in the debate, and there really is no need. Let’s keep it civil.
Jimaroid
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Do you include defamation in your definition of civil? You seem to do a lot of it.
Springveldt
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So Cam is staying with the PGA for a few more weeks to get the FedEx money before moving to LIV?
His answers at the Open were exactly like Brooks answers at the US Open. The fact he didn't come out and say "No I'm not going to LIV" was a sign for me that he's actually going.
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But you've put it out there that Pelley is a very bad man! What's he done then that would put him on a par with being implicit in the murder of a journalist?
